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Post by miracleman on Jul 18, 2020 12:46:17 GMT -5
Ogit,
What are you disagreeing with? My point was I doubt the finder stole a solution from the blogs for same reason you point to, most solutions are all over the place and wrong for obvious reasons.
For example, most people just guess at WWWH. And without that, you’ve got nothing. Or people have HOB that rely on knowledge of specific and local history - what I (and I suspect Forrest) would consider specialized knowledge. Not sure what about specialized knowledge is a joke?
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Post by brianu on Jul 18, 2020 13:03:21 GMT -5
I tried following an idea after I read it once and about hurt myself in the process. Upon that discovery I learned that a process is indeed involved from start to finish and it's most certainly up to each finder to follow the rules/direction of the poem and process. You can go from d-i but you'll never know your at I unless you go a-i, unless your just b@tsh!t and stubborn enuff to believe your own level of cray and if that works, well, who knew! You gotta know that you don't know to know what you don't know then you'll know what you know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 14:11:33 GMT -5
I tried following an idea after I read it once and about hurt myself in the process. Upon that discovery I learned that a process is indeed involved from start to finish and it's most certainly up to each finder to follow the rules/direction of the poem and process. You can go from d-i but you'll never know your at I unless you go a-i, unless your just b@tsh!t and stubborn enuff to believe your own level of cray and if that works, well, who knew! You gotta know that you don't know to know what you don't know then you'll know what you know. BrianU, if we know that HOB is being done, wouldn't that be good enough to know, or no? |
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Post by brianu on Jul 18, 2020 14:27:35 GMT -5
I think there is more than one meaning to the descriptions, but the location has to be understood to follow the directions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 14:33:27 GMT -5
Ogit, What are you disagreeing with?
That the solutions we see posted are easily dismissed.
There are good ones on the blogs, but very few because almost all the blogs ban people who have serious discussions because many people seem to feel threatended if their solve doesn't meet high standards.
People don't know what specialized knowledge means, and seem to confuse it with any and all knowledge. Forrest does expect the finder to learn new things, and those things exist in TTOTC and BOTG. Someone can enter a historical place with no knowledge, then by simply reading the kiosks and brochures and using that information with the clues, obtain everything they need before leaving the area. Forrest means you don't need any pre-existing special knowledge, he will teach you all you need to know with the poem+TTOTC+what you see and do on site while following the blueprint/map.
For example... In my solve you do not have to know anything about Indians, Astronomy, Astrology, Stars, Seasons, and the Summer Soltice - yet all of the above is used along with imagination. ALL the information needed is completely on site, historically documented on site, in brochures, on kiosks, in the rangers speaking to you, etc. A tourist can learn everything needed, thus no special knowledge was required. Then, you simply use the poem as a BLUEPRINT and use the words to operate on the poem itself to construct the information needed for the solution. Dejoka's solve is different, but its the same rule, it works with just the poem but there are hints in TTOTC and in-situ.
Remember: Forrest has said that the FINAL (9th) clue can NOT be solved with Google Earth or online, it REQUIRES an on site presence. He wasn't talking about a presense required to get the chest, thats obvious, he was saying that you cannot locate the final position (solve the final clue) from home. Care to guess why that might be? My answer: Because he took full advantage of the site and wants you to apply what you learned both home and on the way to the site. We need to gain knowledge and wisdom, but wisdom cannot be gained from a book, it can only be gained by DOING something and/or experiencing it first hand. There are 9 clues in the poem, hints in TTOTC, but why do people rule out that there could be clues (and obviously hints) ON SITE, especially after he said that. One might say "well how would you go with confidence from home?" My answer is you CANNOT go with confidence from home, he never said that, he said "you will walk directly to it with confidence" - meaning that you will have at least two stages of confidence:
1) You will have confidence that your WWWH (starting location) is correct. In my case, the poem actually gives you confidence! It RE-A(s)SURE's you that you did the right thing.
2) Once on site you are now gaining wisdom, in order to have BEEN WISE you must have done it at least once (past tense) and be wise a second time (when you found the blaze). In my case, the solve does that too IF you do the right thing. I did not do the right thing until it was too late.
Note: I would never waste my time looking in any national park because it is illegal for Forrest to have used such a place to host a treasure hunt. It is also illegal to put a geocache there unless its very short term (I forget the term, but I think its less than a year).
In any case, lets say you are going to Yellowstone. Prior to going, do you need ANY knowledge of a geyser, geothermal acitivity, volcanos, etc? No. Will you gain wisdom by going there, reading on site, and experiencing the place first hand? Yes!
So he *could* have hid the chest in a place within (or just outside for someone like me) Yellowstone. AND he could have used ALL the information about the sites within the park in oder to lead you to the treasure! And he can claim you did not need any "special knowledge" before hand, but you will certainly gain it while you are there expeiencing the Rockies and the park.
If I was going to hide a geocache in Disney World, then write a poem, would it not make sense to have the first clue GET YOU TO DISNEY, and then the final clues are ALL based on attractions you might see as I guide you through the park and to the chest? You bet your butt! hehe
Doesn't that sound like a cool family adventure? It does to me! You will enjoy it, not risk free, but certainly without hiking 10 miles into a wilderness and scaling walls/cliffs. Like he said, he laughed, and you will be surprised where he hid it.
People are not figuring out that WWWH does not exist on ANY map until you know what it means, IMO. You will spend 1000 years checking every possible place when instead you can simply solve the poem BEFORE you even look at a map because you don't know what map to use until you know where the heck you are going!
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Post by kp on Jul 21, 2020 23:54:56 GMT -5
Hmmm...so any WWWH that is logical and from a newbie is “too easy” and can’t be correct? I’ll take that bet. In fact, I’ll take Madison Junction and let you pick 3 specific WWWH locations. Even UP bet...we’ll just have to hope we eventually hear the correct “oldie” solution from the finder. IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 8:03:55 GMT -5
Hmmm...so any WWWH that is logical and from a newbie is “too easy” and can’t be correct? I’ll take that bet. In fact, I’ll take Madison Junction and let you pick 3 specific WWWH locations. Even UP bet...we’ll just have to hope we eventually hear the correct “oldie” solution from the finder. IMO.
It doesn't fit the clues, first you need to know what WWWH means - it does not exist on ANY maps until you solve it.
But be my guest and have fun, I base my solves on sound logic, not guessing.
PS: You will never hear or see the real solution.
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Post by edgewalker on Jul 22, 2020 8:25:24 GMT -5
Hmmm...so any WWWH that is logical and from a newbie is “too easy” and can’t be correct? I’ll take that bet. In fact, I’ll take Madison Junction and let you pick 3 specific WWWH locations. Even UP bet...we’ll just have to hope we eventually hear the correct “oldie” solution from the finder. IMO.
It doesn't fit the clues, first you need to know what WWWH means - it does not exist on ANY maps until you solve it.
But be my guest and have fun, I base my solves on sound logic, not guessing.
PS: You will never hear or see the real solution.
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Post by brianu on Jul 22, 2020 8:32:32 GMT -5
It might just be no time flat and lickity split ifn it's using imagination.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 8:45:53 GMT -5
BTW, Forrest said (paraphrased), "There are many places where warm waters halt, and most of them are north of Santa Fe."
That means:
+ At least one place WWWH must exist south of Santa Fe
+ And there are many such places in the rockies
So show me a place south of Santa Fe that has two rivers, both fed by "active" geysers, that form a confluence where they end and begin another river.
No such place exists in NM, heck, no such place exists anywhere else in the Rockies, so it can't be the right definition for the clue BIWWWH. This is what I mean when I say the clues do not match at all, it is low hanging fruit, the same places all the new searchers went to.
If the chest was anywhere near a place he mentions by name, it would have been found in 2010 or 2011.
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Post by tom on Jul 22, 2020 10:28:49 GMT -5
Because that would add fuel to the lawsuit fires.
Too much of a burden on the family. Too much nonsense.
Forrest went and got it. My opinion obviously.
The man let it go on longer than I probably would have.
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Post by TeachersPet on Jul 22, 2020 11:56:19 GMT -5
Maybe he just forgot it after listening to all the conspiracies. Ah well, we just gotta forgive the guy!
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jul 22, 2020 13:32:50 GMT -5
Wymustigo: I respectfully disagree. "There are a few words in the poem that are not useful in finding the treasure, Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them. You over simplify the clues. There are many places in the Rocky Mountains where warm waters halt, and nearly all of them are north of Santa Fe. Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts."
Forrest isn't saying that whatever *HIS* WWWH is, it must be of a type that can also be found south of Santa Fe. He is simply saying that of all the possible things/places that SEARCHER'S might imagine WWWH to be, most of them will be found north of Santa Fe. And that's not surprising, given that so little of the Rocky Mountains are south of Santa Fe.
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