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Post by indulgenceseeker on Jul 23, 2020 12:43:48 GMT -5
The Continental Divide or knowing Forrest, he probably intended it the be The Great Divide, which has dual meaning. Ditto The Continental Divide and need for dual meaning...edge of YNP on the Continental Divide but not in the actual Park...Shoshone Pass and the headwaters of the south fork of Shoshone River. |
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Post by crm114 on Jul 23, 2020 15:22:33 GMT -5
The Continental Divide or knowing Forrest, he probably intended it the be The Great Divide, which has dual meaning. Ditto The Continental Divide and need for dual meaning...edge of YNP on the Continental Divide but not in the actual Park...Shoshone Pass and the headwaters of the south fork of Shoshone River. There were a few of us Continental Dividers. We should form a club, even though or solves may diverge from there. There's a great post at reddit advocating CD: www.reddit.com/r/FindingFennsGold/comments/ckaj5q/comment/evo3l87Also, from Journal of a Trapper: On the south side, about midway of the prairie, stood a high snowy peak from whence issued a stream of water which, after entering the plain, divided equally, one half running west and the other east, thus bidding adieu to each other, one bound for the Pacific and the other for the Atlantic ocean . Here a trout of twelve inches in length may cross the mountains in safety. Poets have sung of the meeting of the waters and fish climbing cataracts, but the “parting of the waters and fish crossing mountains,” I believe, remains unsung as yet ... I have several other confirmer from TTOTC in my solve post. |
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Post by van on Jul 23, 2020 16:10:38 GMT -5
There is a town called Basin in WY. Not to far from Snowshoe MT.
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Post by jdiggins on Jul 23, 2020 17:30:21 GMT -5
I will have to wait until the warm water coming out of my eyes halts before I answer that question. Why o Wy o ming. My o wing |
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Post by edgewalker on Jul 23, 2020 17:54:07 GMT -5
To continue the theme: Say you live in Santa Fe, and buy an early copy of TTOTC from the one place it's available (Collected Works). You take it on trust that 'in the mountains North of Santa Fe' means 'within a resonable drive'. It turns out the treasure is in Wyoming. How do you feel? I would say they should stop looking for treasure due to making silly assumptions. If they actually solved the poem they might have found it.. Not a single clue, EVER, IMO leads to NM. Same for the hints? Me in the middle.... New Me xico. I thought lots of people had good thoughts on NW. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 18:15:14 GMT -5
I would say they should stop looking for treasure due to making silly assumptions. If they actually solved the poem they might have found it.. Not a single clue, EVER, IMO leads to NM. Same for the hints? Me in the middle.... New Me xico. I thought lots of people had good thoughts on NW.
But none of them involved the poem with maybe the exception of riches new and old.
Doesn't matter, the debate is silly because we now know it was in WY. So everything assumed about NM was clearly wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 18:20:49 GMT -5
New member here. My solve involved the Continental Divide Trail. I'll post links to my solve and map for anyone who is interested. I would appreciate any feedback on what you think the odds are of every clue falling (in order) on this trail. Also, I haven't been searching for years so this line of thinking may have been covered and ruled out years ago. Unfortunately, this was in a Bear Management Area in Yellowstone and the first legal day to check it out was July 1st. (which i still did with my son and brother because it's Yellowstone after all!) FWIW, if Mr. Fenn were in decent shape at all he could've made the hike. I'm not saying this solve is correct, but if it were, someone would've been trespassing in June to have retrieved it. The fact is, there are many areas in Yellowstone that are off-limits in June. Personally, I'd like to know if it were retrieved legally, wherever it was. www.dropbox.com/s/lgh54c66tsfbi67/hoosierdaddy%20solve.pdf?dl=0www.dropbox.com/s/o0l5sv3zuyx387z/fenn%20solve%20map.jpg?dl=0
I originally thought the same about the divide, but I later found out he said that WWWH was a specific location... The divide stretches across the country. So my next thought was maybe the place where it splits (Red Desert) into a circle, then the "not in a desert" ruined that one. Next up, triple point or two ocean points.. But since WWWH also must exist at least once in NM south of Santa Fe, that ruled out all of the above (except for the divide, but now there is no specific spot). I ended up shelving those ideas and moved back to the poem in 2017.
I did think thermals were invovled, still do too. Funny thing is natives consider any water that comes from the earth to be "warm" - so that could be a spring, geyser, etc. And they do exist in south NM.
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Post by edgewalker on Jul 23, 2020 18:27:50 GMT -5
Same for the hints? Me in the middle.... New Me xico. I thought lots of people had good thoughts on NW.
But none of them involved the poem with maybe the exception of riches new and old.
Doesn't matter, the debate is silly because we now know it was in WY. So everything assumed about NM was clearly wrong.
True. I did research on Alaska...and Florida for parts of the poem. So who am I to judge. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 18:30:13 GMT -5
But none of them involved the poem with maybe the exception of riches new and old.
Doesn't matter, the debate is silly because we now know it was in WY. So everything assumed about NM was clearly wrong.
True. I did research on Alaska...and Florida for parts of the poem. So who am I to judge.
There is nothing wrong with that... Know why? He said the CHEST was in NM, CO, WY or MT - he did not limit the clues to those four states, or 5000 feet, or anything. A clue *could* have been in Vietnam or Germany  I don't think that was stupid at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 19:31:10 GMT -5
I originally thought the same about the divide, but I later found out he said that WWWH was a specific location... The divide stretches across the country. So my next thought was maybe the place where it splits (Red Desert) into a circle, then the "not in a desert" ruined that one. Next up, triple point or two ocean points.. But since WWWH also must exist at least once in NM south of Santa Fe, that ruled out all of the above (except for the divide, but now there is no specific spot). I ended up shelving those ideas and moved back to the poem in 2017.
I did think thermals were invovled, still do too. Funny thing is natives consider any water that comes from the earth to be "warm" - so that could be a spring, geyser, etc. And they do exist in south NM.
My WWWH was specifically Parting Of The Waters (Two Ocean Pass) on the Continental Divide Trail. Yeah that is a good spot, but is there such a thing in southern NM. I also liked "Wedding of the Waters", but I had the same problem, where does such a place exist in southern NM. Wedding of the waters was particularly cool because the water enters the canyon as Wind River, then gets renamed Bighorn just before Thermopolis. It is odd for a river to rename midstream, it usually happens at a confluence. But... I had the same problem again, where does such a thing happen south NM? Also, he said "there are many places wwwh", I can't think of many rivers renamed mid-stream. |
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Post by crm114 on Jul 23, 2020 20:12:02 GMT -5
New member here. My solve involved the Continental Divide Trail. I'll post links to my solve and map for anyone who is interested. I would appreciate any feedback on what you think the odds are of every clue falling (in order) on this trail. Also, I haven't been searching for years so this line of thinking may have been covered and ruled out years ago. Unfortunately, this was in a Bear Management Area in Yellowstone and the first legal day to check it out was July 1st. (which i still did with my son and brother because it's Yellowstone after all!) FWIW, if Mr. Fenn were in decent shape at all he could've made the hike. I'm not saying this solve is correct, but if it were, someone would've been trespassing in June to have retrieved it. The fact is, there are many areas in Yellowstone that are off-limits in June. Personally, I'd like to know if it were retrieved legally, wherever it was. www.dropbox.com/s/lgh54c66tsfbi67/hoosierdaddy%20solve.pdf?dl=0www.dropbox.com/s/o0l5sv3zuyx387z/fenn%20solve%20map.jpg?dl=0
I originally thought the same about the divide, but I later found out he said that WWWH was a specific location... The divide stretches across the country. So my next thought was maybe the place where it splits (Red Desert) into a circle, then the "not in a desert" ruined that one. Next up, triple point or two ocean points.. But since WWWH also must exist at least once in NM south of Santa Fe, that ruled out all of the above (except for the divide, but now there is no specific spot). I ended up shelving those ideas and moved back to the poem in 2017.
I did think thermals were invovled, still do too. Funny thing is natives consider any water that comes from the earth to be "warm" - so that could be a spring, geyser, etc. And they do exist in south NM.
My solve involved Continental Divide as WWWH, which indeed is general, but you narrow it down ala TS Elliott (know the place for the first time) by following the later clues back to WWWH. |
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Post by davebakedpotato on Jul 24, 2020 6:56:39 GMT -5
I originally thought the same about the divide, but I later found out he said that WWWH was a specific location... The divide stretches across the country. So my next thought was maybe the place where it splits (Red Desert) into a circle, then the "not in a desert" ruined that one. Next up, triple point or two ocean points.. But since WWWH also must exist at least once in NM south of Santa Fe, that ruled out all of the above (except for the divide, but now there is no specific spot). I ended up shelving those ideas and moved back to the poem in 2017.
I did think thermals were invovled, still do too. Funny thing is natives consider any water that comes from the earth to be "warm" - so that could be a spring, geyser, etc. And they do exist in south NM.
My WWWH was specifically Parting Of The Waters (Two Ocean Pass) on the Continental Divide Trail. See my post above. Not sure if you made the Moses link or not, but I think it's pretty neat. Do you have any good solutions to further clues - I could never get this location to stack up. Also appears to be miles from anywhere you could park a car (?) |
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Post by davebakedpotato on Jul 24, 2020 13:39:14 GMT -5
See my post above. Not sure if you made the Moses link or not, but I think it's pretty neat. Do you have any good solutions to further clues - I could never get this location to stack up. Also appears to be miles from anywhere you could park a car (?) ----- Yeah that's an interesting observation. I don't believe Fenn actually said HE started hiking to hide the treasure from the POEM's starting point. My solve started at Parting of the Waters, took the CD trail north into Yellowstone and ended fairly close to the Heart Lake Trail Head where he could've parked. All 9 clues are just map waypoints along that trail. I also believe since Fenn always chose every word so carefully, that he used the more obscure definitions to simple words in his poem straight out of Merriam-Webster. He said his poem LOOKED like 'simple words'. I enjoy word puzzles and found this pattern of alt definitions matches up exactly to that trail. If you're interested in that area as a starting point, here's a link to my solve and map. Let me know what you think the odds of every waypoint on this trail matching up to the clues in his poem (in order). www.dropbox.com/s/lgh54c66tsfbi67/hoosierdaddy%20solve.pdf?dl=0www.dropbox.com/s/o0l5sv3zuyx387z/fenn%20solve%20map.jpg?dl=0I don't know what the odds are, but personally I don't think the subsequent answers are as strong as the starting point. On the other hand, I was looking in New Mexico, so wtf do I know?! |
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Post by indigojones on Jul 24, 2020 13:48:57 GMT -5
'Colorado Springs' because of its exactness.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jul 25, 2020 1:22:31 GMT -5
If a Medicine Wheel has anything to do with solving Forrest's poem, I'll be burning TTOTC, TFTW and both versions of my OUAW.
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I don't think that was stupid at all.
