9 sentences = 9 clues, theory ?

[goldwatch]

Yes, and I think more and more people are starting to see this.
But it's a difficult task.

[seannm]

All,

This is a thread I started 2 years and I have no put my thoughts into video form. So come view my short video on this theory that the nine clues could be the nine sentences. After over eight years we as searchers have not come to any consensus on what those clues may be, but in this video I provide actual evidence to support this theory, which may in fact move the nine clues being the nine sentences from plausible to probable. As a poem purist I have the belief that all the information one needs to solve the poem and find the treasure is included in the poem, you just have to marry the starting point to a map and from there your journey begins. No need to buy anything, just click and watch, its absolutely free.

youtu.be/jxGXR3aOtmE

And here is part 2 of thoughts on the nine sentece being the nine clues, where I answer some the common questions against this theory, good stuff.

youtu.be/PV3y58Zs9q4

Good luck and enjoy.

Seannm

[npsbuilder]

Gotta think for a minute to absorb what/how/way to respond concerning your 2 videos. There are many, many, many parallels to how I approach life and the way this journey is to be taken to get to where I am/need/want/should be. The poem's underlying truth/answers is basically your mirror. The mirror that ff uses in so many different ways to get your attention to it and what the mirror represents. These videos says this is your approach without you saying it even though you want to and it's the game and how you play.

This gives me something to sleep on. My break is over (giving my brain a few to sort other things out) and getting back to what had my attention.

Thanks AND these help me.

[drpepperwood]

Jan 2, 2019 21:20:38 GMT -5 seannm said:

All,

This is a thread I started 2 years and I have no put my thoughts into video form. So come view my short video on this theory that the nine clues could be the nine sentences. After over eight years we as searchers have not come to any consensus on what those clues may be, but in this video I provide actual evidence to support this theory, which may in fact move the nine clues being the nine sentences from plausible to probable. As a poem purist I have the belief that all the information one needs to solve the poem and find the treasure is included in the poem, you just have to marry the starting point to a map and from there your journey begins. No need to buy anything, just click and watch, its absolutely free.

youtu.be/jxGXR3aOtmE

And here is part 2 of thoughts on the nine sentece being the nine clues, where I answer some the common questions against this theory, good stuff.

youtu.be/PV3y58Zs9q4

Good luck and enjoy.

Seannm

Hi Seannm.  Take a look at what I wrote up and tell me what you think?  Just the poem and a dictionary.  I would like some feed back.



As in depth survey will be carried out to establish the area, length, size or range of something (An in depth thought of the poem, book, map FF).

I is the nine clues. 9th letter of the alphabet denoting (denoting stands for a name or symbol for. Indicate, be a sign of, be a mark, “the level of output per firm, 1 thru 9 denoted (mark) by X” (I don’t dare put an X on the map) the next after "H”.

Have is a place that is past in time.

Gone is the time (clock is a circle) has already departed (traveled, ex, exit).

Alone is having no one else present; on one’s own (leave your partner in the car. FF).

In is expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed or surrounded by something else in the middle of expressing motion with results (clock?) that something ends up within or surrounded by something else.

There is at the point. Circle with a point (dot). And is used to connect words of the same part of speech taken jointly.

With is accompanied by a thing (treasures and secret or map).

My (mine) means belonging to or associate with the speaker. (Originally before words beginning with any consonant except H-).

Treasures is a quantity of precious metals, gems other valuable items.

Bold Confident, (MOVE IN CONFIDENCE ff quote) daring, and fearless.



I is the nine clues. 9th letter of the alphabet denoting (denoting stands for a name or symbol for. Indicate, be a sign of, be a mark, “the level of output per firm, 1 thru 9 denoted (mark) by X” (I don’t dare put an X on the map) the next after "H”.

Can Be able to or be permitted to (rob my grave. Take the TC but leave my bones).

Keep is to have or retain possession of or retain or reserve for use in the future. (Be permitted to take possession of chest.)

My (mine) belonging to or associate with the speaker.

Secret (hidden FF words that’s why not buried. Because secret does not mean buried) is not known or seen or not meant to be known or seen by others fond of or good at keeping things about oneself unknown. Meant to be kept unknown or unseen (hidden) by others.

Where is in or to what place or position. In what direction or respect in or from what source in or to what situation conditions.

And used to connect words of the same part of speech taken jointly.

Hint is a slight or indirect indication or suggestion clue, sign, signal pointer. A small piece of particle information. Advise small trace of something. It’s a small place? Sign that there are clues.
  

Of is expressing the relationship between a part and a whole. Expressing the relationship between a direction and a point of reference. Following a noun derived from or related to a verb.

Riches valuable natural resources (waters, coal, metals). A large amount of something (new riches and old riches). Resources, treasure(s), bounty, jewels, gems, valuables, masterpieces, pride, cornucopia (a symbol of plenty consisting of a goat's horn overflowing with flowers, fruit, and corn.)
  Material wealth. (Think in terms of geography?) Big area or little area of wealth. Anything close to the equator is poorest. Farther away for the equator more wealth. "Climate, soil, food. The 19th century historian Henry Thomas Buckle wrote that "climate, soil, food, and the aspects of nature are the primary causes of intellectual progress--the first three indirectly, through determining the accumulation and distribution of wealth, and the last by directly influencing the accumulation and distribution of thought, the imagination being stimulated and the understanding subdued when the phenomena of the external world are sublime and terrible, the understanding being emboldened and the imagination curbed when they are small and feeble.")



New is not existing before, made into or discovered recently now for the first time (A place that isn’t discovered)


And is used to connect words of the same part of speech taken jointly.



Old having lived for a longtime. History of geography to help the understanding.

[drpepperwood]

Here is something completely interesting. Where is in or to what place or position.

Where = In

go back to In.

In is expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed or surrounded by something else in the middle of expressing motion with results (clock?) that something ends up within or surrounded by something else.

Then follow to there which is at the point.



Could be the way to read the riddle?

[drpepperwood]

Thinking out loud for a moment.



in the middle of expressing motion with results.


Sounds like something is moving like a dredge.

[seannm]

All,

Seeing as we have had some new information from Forrest I wanted to revisit the theory that the nine clues may simply be the nine sentences in the poem.

In Cynthia Meachum's book she provides some mentions from Forest Fenn going back as far as 2014. One of these mentions is that Forrest told her that almost every line in the poem has a word that is key, I'm paraphrasing from a YouTube video and may not get that exact. Now pair that mention with Forrest's recent interview with Kpro, Mike and Cynthia, where they ask Forrest about the infamous "a word that is key" statement, and if that word is found within the poem to which he says: "there is one word that will help more than some of the others, in the poem" Then he goes on to say: "But you got to have all of them, one is not gonna take you there".

Here is my point, and candor requires I admit that this may be based upon my preconceived belief that the nine clues are the nine sentences, but here it is:

If almost every line in that poem has a word that is key, and we got to have them all, as one is not enough, then would it not be prudent that we need every line in that poem or that every line is important? 

Again as I stated, in a video I made nearly two years ago, we have no consensus on what the nine clues are in the poem, and 10 years in now, we still don't. And while some want to believe that the nine clues only exist between: Begin it where, and take the chest and go in peace, they then would be leaving out several potential key words that they "got to have", would they not? So if almost every line in that poem has a word that is key and we got to have them all, then we got to have almost every line in that poem, thus possibly lending credence to the idea that the nine clues could simply the nine sentences found within the poem.

Now there are some that will point to Forrest recent mention that once you get to the ninth clue look down because there is the treasure (paraphrased) is then proof that the ninth clue is "look quickly down", but I then ask you: If you have the correct solve, one that according to Forrest Fenn, gets you knowingly within several steps of the treasure chest, what are you going to do? Are you simply going to say: "I don't see the treasure, lets go home", or are you going to turn over every log, rock, bush and flat stone within 12 feet of where you have arrived. This just seems so obvious to me and should not be considered some confirmation that the ninth clue is "look quickly down" in the poem, but others may disagree.

There are a few words in the poem that are not useful in finding the treasure Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them. You over simplify the clues. There are many places in the Rocky Mountains where warm waters halt, and nearly all of them are north of Santa Fe. Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts. f

Seannm

[rahrah]

Jan 11, 2020 15:37:15 GMT -5 seannm said:

All,

Seeing as we have had some new information from Forrest I wanted to revisit the theory that the nine clues may simply be the nine sentences in the poem.

In Cynthia Meachum's book she provides some mentions from Forest Fenn going back as far as 2014. One of these mentions is that Forrest told her that almost every line in the poem has a word that is key, I'm paraphrasing from a YouTube video and may not get that exact. Now pair that mention with Forrest's recent interview with Kpro, Mike and Cynthia, where they ask Forrest about the infamous "a word that is key" statement, and if that word is found within the poem to which he says: "there is one word that will help more than some of the others, in the poem" Then he goes on to say: "But you got to have all of them, one is not gonna take you there".

Here is my point, and candor requires I admit that this may be based upon my preconceived belief that the nine clues are the nine sentences, but here it is:

If almost every line in that poem has a word that is key, and we got to have them all, as one is not enough, then would it not be prudent that we need every line in that poem or that every line is important? 

Again as I stated, in a video I made nearly two years ago, we have no consensus on what the nine clues are in the poem, and 10 years in now, we still don't. And while some want to believe that the nine clues only exist between: Begin it where, and take the chest and go in peace, they then would be leaving out several potential key words that they "got to have", would they not? So if almost every line in that poem has a word that is key and we got to have them all, then we got to have almost every line in that poem, thus possibly lending credence to the idea that the nine clues could simply the nine sentences found within the poem.

Now there are some that will point to Forrest recent mention that once you get to the ninth clue look down because there is the treasure (paraphrased) is then proof that the ninth clue is "look quickly down", but I then ask you: If you have the correct solve, one that according to Forrest Fenn, gets you knowingly within several steps of the treasure chest, what are you going to do? Are you simply going to say: "I don't see the treasure, lets go home", or are you going to turn over every log, rock, bush and flat stone within 12 feet of where you have arrived. This just seems so obvious to me and should not be considered some confirmation that the ninth clue is "look quickly down" in the poem, but others may disagree.

There are a few words in the poem that are not useful in finding the treasure Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them. You over simplify the clues. There are many places in the Rocky Mountains where warm waters halt, and nearly all of them are north of Santa Fe. Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts. f

Seannm

I've noted elsewhere with regard to the first clue, each part is important, then there is the result from the parts ... parts to whole, you need all the ingredients.

[davebakedpotato]

Jan 11, 2020 15:37:15 GMT -5 seannm said:

All,

Seeing as we have had some new information from Forrest I wanted to revisit the theory that the nine clues may simply be the nine sentences in the poem.

In Cynthia Meachum's book she provides some mentions from Forest Fenn going back as far as 2014. One of these mentions is that Forrest told her that almost every line in the poem has a word that is key, I'm paraphrasing from a YouTube video and may not get that exact. Now pair that mention with Forrest's recent interview with Kpro, Mike and Cynthia, where they ask Forrest about the infamous "a word that is key" statement, and if that word is found within the poem to which he says: "there is one word that will help more than some of the others, in the poem" Then he goes on to say: "But you got to have all of them, one is not gonna take you there".

Here is my point, and candor requires I admit that this may be based upon my preconceived belief that the nine clues are the nine sentences, but here it is:

If almost every line in that poem has a word that is key, and we got to have them all, as one is not enough, then would it not be prudent that we need every line in that poem or that every line is important? 

Again as I stated, in a video I made nearly two years ago, we have no consensus on what the nine clues are in the poem, and 10 years in now, we still don't. And while some want to believe that the nine clues only exist between: Begin it where, and take the chest and go in peace, they then would be leaving out several potential key words that they "got to have", would they not? So if almost every line in that poem has a word that is key and we got to have them all, then we got to have almost every line in that poem, thus possibly lending credence to the idea that the nine clues could simply the nine sentences found within the poem.

Now there are some that will point to Forrest recent mention that once you get to the ninth clue look down because there is the treasure (paraphrased) is then proof that the ninth clue is "look quickly down", but I then ask you: If you have the correct solve, one that according to Forrest Fenn, gets you knowingly within several steps of the treasure chest, what are you going to do? Are you simply going to say: "I don't see the treasure, lets go home", or are you going to turn over every log, rock, bush and flat stone within 12 feet of where you have arrived. This just seems so obvious to me and should not be considered some confirmation that the ninth clue is "look quickly down" in the poem, but others may disagree.

There are a few words in the poem that are not useful in finding the treasure Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them. You over simplify the clues. There are many places in the Rocky Mountains where warm waters halt, and nearly all of them are north of Santa Fe. Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts. f

Seannm

It seems very unlikely:

- The first clue is WWWH
- The clues are contiguous
- Tarry scant means get the heck out of there (because you've got the treasure)

All from Forrest quotes.

There is almost certainly useful information in the rest of the poem since we can't discount any of the words nor should we mess with the poem. But by (importantly) Forrest's definition of a clue, it seems they are contained in stanzas 2 to 4.

[goldilocks]

When he said the clues are contiguous, do we know if he meant in the poem or on the ground...

[zaphod73491]

I think knowing that the clues are contiguous, consecutive and sequential, coupled with the admission in the 2013 New Zealand radio interview that WWWH is the first clue unambiguously kills the theory of 9 sentences = 9 clues. It seems there can be no "clue" (by Forrest's definition) in the first stanza without conflicting with the contiguous/consecutive comment about the clues. Forrest's reply of "sounds like 3 or 4 to me" (when the reporter suggested there were a couple clues in the entire 2-sentence second stanza she had just recited) only adds further doubt about the notion of 1 sentence = 1 clue.

I think there is important information in every line of the poem. But I don't think Forrest has the sort of rigidity and conformity of thought to force exactly one clue per sentence. That is not the pattern of a Maverick blazing his own trail.

[fundamentaldesign]

I agree with Zap’s explanation above.

I don’t understand the questioning Seannm has for searchers who picked up on f saying recently that once you get to the ninth clue look down because there is the treasure.

I reposted Sean’s questions to help get a better understanding of them from him or others:


Now there are some that will point to Forrest recent mention that once you get to the ninth clue look down because there is the treasure (paraphrased) is then proof that the ninth clue is "look quickly down", but I then ask you: If you have the correct solve, one that according to Forrest Fenn, gets you knowingly within several steps of the treasure chest, what are you going to do? Are you simply going to say: "I don't see the treasure, lets go home", or are you going to turn over every log, rock, bush and flat stone within 12 feet of where you have arrived. This just seems so obvious to me and should not be considered some confirmation that the ninth clue is "look quickly down" in the poem, but others may disagree.

Why are those the only two options? Beyond that, it’s so obvious what I’d do.

I like Rah Rah’s point above about ingredients. What I would do is take that concept and apply that to Jenny’s post above (last year) where she broke down every word of the first stanza. Imo, it’s a great first step to break down every word of the first stanza but then try to come up with how they relate to each other. Maybe an unique story is told.

[Jenny]

Jan 12, 2020 9:13:07 GMT -5 fundamentaldesign said:

I agree with Zap’s explanation above.

I don’t understand the questioning Seannm has for searchers who picked up on f saying recently that once you get to the ninth clue look down because there is the treasure.

I reposted Sean’s questions to help get a better understanding of them from him or others:


Now there are some that will point to Forrest recent mention that once you get to the ninth clue look down because there is the treasure (paraphrased) is then proof that the ninth clue is "look quickly down", but I then ask you: If you have the correct solve, one that according to Forrest Fenn, gets you knowingly within several steps of the treasure chest, what are you going to do? Are you simply going to say: "I don't see the treasure, lets go home", or are you going to turn over every log, rock, bush and flat stone within 12 feet of where you have arrived. This just seems so obvious to me and should not be considered some confirmation that the ninth clue is "look quickly down" in the poem, but others may disagree.

Why are those the only two options? Beyond that, it’s so obvious what I’d do.

I like Rah Rah’s point above about ingredients. What I would do is take that concept and apply that to Jenny’s post above (last year) where she broke down every word of the first stanza. Imo, it’s a great first step to break down every word of the first stanza but then try to come up with how they relate to each other. Maybe an unique story is told.

To clarify and credit rightly due- it was Dr. Pepperwood who broke down every word of the first stanza...but I agree it is a great exercise to do...and appreciate her sharing it...

It seems Forrest's definition and usage of the words Clue and Hint causes the disagreements of What is a clue? and What is a hint? and even what is instructional or directional...

I feel, however, every searcher agrees that the poem as a whole is vital-- so whatever term a searcher uses to describe the sentences or phrases, nothing of the poem is being dismissed by searchers for leading to the final solution.

[fundamentaldesign]

I think f’s descriptions for what the clues and hints do for us searchers helps tremendously. It’s by knowing the difference between them that one can progress through the architecture of the poem, imo.

For example, by knowing the definition of a clue, one can glean that a hint can’t help us in between the string of clues. If one did, then it would be doing the job of a clue and be called a clue. This means that the hints help elsewhere. Either before or after the clues. With the f quotes above that have him stating the tc will be found after the last clue I don’t see why you would need a hint after the last clue.

Since we know where the first clue resides we know that the hints come before and prbly help with plotting out that pesky problem of where to drive your vehicle from your home to...,imo.

[theoretical]

Jan 13, 2020 16:10:32 GMT -5 fundamentaldesign said:

I think f’s descriptions for what the clues and hints do for us searchers helps tremendously. It’s by knowing the difference between them that one can progress through the architecture of the poem, imo.

For example, by knowing the definition of a clue, one can glean that a hint can’t help us in between the string of clues. If one did, then it would be doing the job of a clue and be called a clue. This means that the hints help elsewhere. Either before or after the clues. With the f quotes above that have him stating the tc will be found after the last clue I don’t see why you would need a hint after the last clue.

Since we know where the first clue resides we know that the hints come before and prbly help with plotting out that pesky problem of where to drive your vehicle from your home to...,imo.

It seems plausible - to me - there could be hints after the last clue that provide color on the big picture.