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Post by van on Jan 16, 2020 18:43:35 GMT -5
there = adj/adv., where = adv., neither are places/points(i.e. nouns), there is a slight difference if the words are used correctly, but probably not important
If the treasure is found in Montana, then saying WWWH is the first clue is very misleading; however, FF was trying to be misleading when he said that the treasure location is in the sun, then subsequently, telling Cynthia in private that the chest itself was not.
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Post by seannm on Feb 11, 2020 9:34:48 GMT -5
All, Interesting find here: Credit to Locolobo and Zap for posting on HOD. I spent some time yesterday searching for this mention in the media page, but had not yet found it. Colombian radio interview (7/10/2016) @ 3:08, host: “Okay, and can you read us a little bit of the poem?” FF: “I’ll read the first few lines. ‘As I have gone alone in there, And with my treasures bold, I can keep my secret where, And hint of riches new and old. Begin it where warm waters halt, And take it in the canyon down, Not far, but too far to walk. Put in below the home of Brown.’ Okay, that’s the first part of the … I think there are 24 stanzas (sic), and that’s the first few clues.” www.wradio.com.co/escucha/archivo_de_audio/para-encontrar-mi-tesoro-de-us2-millones-deben-descifrar-mi-poema-forrest-fenn/20160710/oir/3184644.aspxCertainly makes us question his “first” clue mention. Seannm |
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Post by thrillchaser on Feb 11, 2020 9:50:12 GMT -5
All, Interesting find here: Credit to Locolobo and Zap for posting on HOD. I spent some time yesterday searching for this mention in the media page, but had not yet found it. Colombian radio interview (7/10/2016) @ 3:08, host: “Okay, and can you read us a little bit of the poem?” FF: “I’ll read the first few lines. ‘As I have gone alone in there, And with my treasures bold, I can keep my secret where, And hint of riches new and old. Begin it where warm waters halt, And take it in the canyon down, Not far, but too far to walk. Put in below the home of Brown.’ Okay, that’s the first part of the … I think there are 24 stanzas (sic), and that’s the first few clues.” www.wradio.com.co/escucha/archivo_de_audio/para-encontrar-mi-tesoro-de-us2-millones-deben-descifrar-mi-poema-forrest-fenn/20160710/oir/3184644.aspxCertainly makes us question his “first” clue mention. Seannm how so? doesn't make me question forrest. he says the first clue is WWWH, so then canyon down, not far, and hoB, could be some others. he mentions a few clues.... |
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Post by Jenny on Feb 11, 2020 11:31:21 GMT -5
It is important to point out that just because there are those who feel the first clue is WWWH, as Forrest has said, does not mean they think the first stanza is unimportant. The first stanza is as vital as the rest of the poem, and the clues for finding the treasure chest.
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Post by crm114 on Feb 11, 2020 11:37:09 GMT -5
All, Interesting find here: Credit to Locolobo and Zap for posting on HOD. I spent some time yesterday searching for this mention in the media page, but had not yet found it. Colombian radio interview (7/10/2016) @ 3:08, host: “Okay, and can you read us a little bit of the poem?” FF: “I’ll read the first few lines. ‘As I have gone alone in there, And with my treasures bold, I can keep my secret where, And hint of riches new and old. Begin it where warm waters halt, And take it in the canyon down, Not far, but too far to walk. Put in below the home of Brown.’ Okay, that’s the first part of the … I think there are 24 stanzas (sic), and that’s the first few clues.” www.wradio.com.co/escucha/archivo_de_audio/para-encontrar-mi-tesoro-de-us2-millones-deben-descifrar-mi-poema-forrest-fenn/20160710/oir/3184644.aspxCertainly makes us question his “first” clue mention. Seannm Good stuff, but is this any more information than the "sounds like three or four to me" (clues) response when the second stanza was read by the TV interviewer? |
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Post by zaphod73491 on Feb 11, 2020 12:48:35 GMT -5
First off, thanks Seannm for the cross-post from Dal's. I had transcribed the audio sometime last year, and as Loco pointed out it's one of the lesser-known interviews. I think it's quite consistent with the "Sounds like 3 or 4 to me" quote, adding support to the theory that when Forrest said "sounds like," he was being straight-up. (Some had theorized that "sounds like" offered a loophole: that Forrest was muddying the waters by saying, in effect, "That *sounds like* there are 3 or 4 clues there, but that doesn't mean there are.") So there is actually some value in this quote because it is more declarative.
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Post by seannm on Feb 11, 2020 13:02:28 GMT -5
First off, thanks Seannm for the cross-post from Dal's. I had transcribed the audio sometime last year, and as Loco pointed out it's one of the lesser-known interviews. I think it's quite consistent with the "Sounds like 3 or 4 to me" quote, adding support to the theory that when Forrest said "sounds like," he was being straight-up. (Some had theorized that "sounds like" offered a loophole: that Forrest was muddying the waters by saying, in effect, "That *sounds like* there are 3 or 4 clues there, but that doesn't mean there are.") So there is actually some value in this quote because it is more declarative. Zap, I had never heard that audio from Forrest before so i appreciate both you and Loco pointing it out. It is interesting that it comes after the 2013 New Zealand audio that says the first clue is BIWWWH. My point in placing it in this thread is show that while Forrest has said that the first clue is BIWWWH, we should not discredit the first stanza as possibly being a clue, as many have done. And while the first stanza may be the first clue in the poem, it may not be where we start or the first thing we need to figure out, because knowing where to start it is the primary key and or fundamental thing we must first figure out before ever setting out. What this may also tell us is that “Begin it where warm waters halt” is not the entire clue since Forrest says the entire sentence. In fact he quotes both stanza 1 and 2 then calls them the first few clues. Again different definitions of the word first. One to mean in a numerical sense and the other as key, primary or fundamental. . Seannm |
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Post by goldilocks on Feb 11, 2020 13:08:46 GMT -5
In the New Zealand interview he said," The first clue in the poem is begin it where warm waters halt. That's the first clue."
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Post by seannm on Feb 11, 2020 14:18:04 GMT -5
It is important to point out that just because there are those who feel the first clue is WWWH, as Forrest has said, does not mean they think the first stanza is unimportant. The first stanza is as vital as the rest of the poem, and the clues for finding the treasure chest. Jenny, There many who say that there is no way that the nine clues could be the nine sentences because he says that the first clue is BIWWWH or that because he says the second stanza “sounds like 3 or 4”. Now this audio from Forrest saying that stanza 1 & 2 are the first few clues sort of contradicts him saying the first clue is BIWWWH. But if you look at the different definitions of the word first both statements could still make sense. Because stanza one could be the first clue, as you read the poem, but the second sentence, possibly clue number two, could still be the first thing we must figure out before ever leaving home, thus the first clue, just not the first as we read them. So this new (old) audio serves to prove, at least in my interpretation, that Forrest may use different definitions of the word first. Seannm |
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Post by goldilocks on Feb 11, 2020 15:05:25 GMT -5
I don't understand the complication. In the New Zealand interview he said the first clue is biwwwh. In the Colombian interview he said from the first word "As" to "Brown" are the first clues (plural). To me this means the first 2 stanzas CONTAIN THE FIRST CLUES (plural). Let's not over think this. I think we can assume he means the first few/several/handful however you want to say it...clues are in the first 8 lines. See, I used the word first but you get what I mean right?
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Post by seannm on Feb 11, 2020 16:46:42 GMT -5
I don't understand the complication. In the New Zealand interview he said the first clue is biwwwh. In the Colombian interview he said from the first word "As" to "Brown" are the first clues (plural). To me this means the first 2 stanzas CONTAIN THE FIRST CLUES (plural). Let's not over think this. I think we can assume he means the first few/several/handful however you want to say it...clues are in the first 8 lines. See, I used the word first but you get what I mean right? Goldi, Forrest said, after reading stanzas one and two, “and that’s the first few clues”, he did not say “the first clues” as you said above. This is juxtaposed to him saying that the first clue is BIWWWH. Big difference between him saying first clues and first few clues, in my opinion. Seannm |
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Post by goldilocks on Feb 11, 2020 16:58:20 GMT -5
I don't understand the complication. In the New Zealand interview he said the first clue is biwwwh. In the Colombian interview he said from the first word "As" to "Brown" are the first clues (plural). To me this means the first 2 stanzas CONTAIN THE FIRST CLUES (plural). Let's not over think this. I think we can assume he means the first few/several/handful however you want to say it...clues are in the first 8 lines. See, I used the word first but you get what I mean right? Goldi, Forrest said, after reading stanzas one and two, “and that’s the first few clues”, he did not say “the first clues” as you said above. This is juxtaposed to him saying that the first clue is BIWWWH. Big difference between him saying first clues and first few clues, in my opinion. Seannm First few, even better. Regardless, clues is plural. We don't know how many but the plural tells me more than 1 clue. I still don't see the difference between first clues and first few clues but that's ok:) |
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Post by flyjack on Feb 11, 2020 17:07:01 GMT -5
I don't understand the complication. In the New Zealand interview he said the first clue is biwwwh. In the Colombian interview he said from the first word "As" to "Brown" are the first clues (plural). To me this means the first 2 stanzas CONTAIN THE FIRST CLUES (plural). Let's not over think this. I think we can assume he means the first few/several/handful however you want to say it...clues are in the first 8 lines. See, I used the word first but you get what I mean right? Goldi, Forrest said, after reading stanzas one and two, “and that’s the first few clues”, he did not say “the first clues” as you said above. This is juxtaposed to him saying that the first clue is BIWWWH. Big difference between him saying first clues and first few clues, in my opinion. Seannm I don't see the contradiction... First clue is BIWWH.. check First few clues in the first two stanzas,, the second stanza contains the 1st clue BIWWH and the next few clues. Few = a small number |
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Post by seannm on Feb 11, 2020 18:16:35 GMT -5
All,
As I have gone alone in there and with my treasures bold, I can keep my secret where and hint of riches new and old.
Begin it where warm waters halt and take it in the canyon down, not far, but too far to walk.
Put in below the home of Brown.
And that’s the first few clues. Seems pretty simple to me that they could simply be the sentences.
Seannm
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Post by zaphod73491 on Feb 11, 2020 19:46:20 GMT -5
All, As I have gone alone in there and with my treasures bold, I can keep my secret where and hint of riches new and old. Begin it where warm waters halt and take it in the canyon down, not far, but too far to walk. Put in below the home of Brown. And that’s the first few clues. Seems pretty simple to me that they could simply be the sentences. Seannm Seannm: nope. There are no clues in the first stanza. That would violate Forrest's statements that the clues are consecutive, sequential and contiguous. If "Begin it where warm waters halt" is the first clue, you can't backtrack and have later clues in the first stanza. And you can't have the first clue in the first stanza because that would violate WWWH being clue #1. For me, the Occam's Razor answer is that there are 4 clues in the second stanza, zero in the first. That satisfies all the ATFs. That said, WWWH cannot be completely solved in isolation, in my opinion. You need information from the first stanza. |
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