9 sentences = 9 clues, theory ?

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Who knows what that guy has hidden under his hat or that lumberjack beard. It's probably just gossip.

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May 19, 2017 16:47:52 GMT -5 jl said:

Lets talk about the 500 foot club, u guys are all wet and carping.

Or why f gave his friend desertphile a clue and no one else.

Ok done carping, need to concentrate on accepting job offer that came in or hoping I uncover something better.

Sometimes I think desterphile is The Brain and f is Pinky. Then sometimes I think Dal is Skippy and we are just watching modern day Looney Tunes.

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Wolf - I don't recall reading any statements about Forrest 'strafing' any funerals. Could you please provide a link (..or were you just attempting to sound super-cool?)

These are the same kind of assumptions that creep into the chase and make for bad decision making down the road. Thanks for reminding us how this can happen

( ..and you're a pilot? - cough cough )

[decall]

May 25, 2017 18:21:33 GMT -5 @highlyanonpirate said:

Wolf - I don't recall reading any statements about Forrest 'strafing' any funerals. Could you please provide a link (..or were you just attempting to sound super-cool?)

These are the same kind of assumptions that creep into the chase and make for bad decision making down the road. Thanks for reminding us how this can happen

( ..and you're a pilot? - cough cough )

Fenn did buz low over the funeral and the burst into tears over it... we're not sure if more happened... it comes across as a confession certainly some guilt here... if i was to guess, I'd say he probably let out a few rounds... not trying to re-write history, just gut feeling based on his expression of guilt.

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Decall - yeah, I read his story awhile back, and agree with most of your views regarding a general expression of guilt, which was evident (to me) in most of his VN recollections


but a guess is still a guess after all - and i'm still an avid fan of that long-forgotten ideology 'innocent until proven guilty' ..albeit stubbornly

[The Wolf]

May 25, 2017 18:31:55 GMT -5 decall said:

May 25, 2017 18:21:33 GMT -5 @highlyanonpirate said:

Wolf - I don't recall reading any statements about Forrest 'strafing' any funerals. Could you please provide a link (..or were you just attempting to sound super-cool?)

These are the same kind of assumptions that creep into the chase and make for bad decision making down the road. Thanks for reminding us how this can happen

( ..and you're a pilot? - cough cough )

Fenn did buz low over the funeral and the burst into tears over it... we're not sure if more happened... it comes across as a confession certainly some guilt here... if i was to guess, I'd say he probably let out a few rounds... not trying to re-write history, just gut feeling based on his expression of guilt.

He was on a strafing run and realized it was a funeral at the last minute. He describes it:

"Although my guns were hot, I knew I wasn't going to shoot because I had to first determine if it was a legitimate target. If it was, I couldn't come back around for a strafing pass. It was too dangerous. What I could do, though, was call the guys behind me and give them the coordinates.
So with an alert to my wingman, we turned in and started down to 500 feet and lit the afterburners. When I got to the edge of the crowd, I rolled on my left wing to get a good look.
It was a funeral!!!
We were traveling so fast no one had heard us coming and I rolled my wing down I could see nothing but panic and yelling and screaming and stampeding and terrible fear. It was horrible. Women were running with babies in their arms; children had started fleeing in every direction with their arms up as if they were surrendering. One old, bearded man with two walking sticks just looked at me as if he were resolved to meet his fate.
I was so ashamed I started crying in my oxygen mask. Sobbing. I could hardly see through the dark visor on my helmet and the salty tears burned my eyes in a way I had not known for a long time. Suddenly, I hated Lyndon Johnson and Robert McNamara and all of the other politicians who were sitting in their fat offices at home, totally oblivious to what war was really like."

Fighter pilots are usually stand off fighters and seldom see the faces of those they kill. This incident brought the human element into war and I understand from reading this why he feels we need to leave others alone.

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thanks heaps wolf-cub, for re-re-iterating what i've already re-read previously - but i strongly suspect that "I knew I wasn't going to shoot because.." would've been like, uummm ....a vital clue?

so once ya finally get ya 'facts' straight in future, my fine canine friend - then i'm sure we'll get on just fine

( ..but please tell 'King WMIG' that he's still presently 'on-scope' ..actually, tell him to jus keep low, from me)

( .."safety first" after all )

[The Wolf]

May 26, 2017 3:11:04 GMT -5 @highlyanonpirate said:

thanks heaps wolf-cub, for re-re-iterating what i've already re-read previously - but i strongly suspect that "I knew I wasn't going to shoot because.." would've been like, uummm ....a vital clue?

so once ya finally get ya 'facts' straight in future, my fine canine friend - then i'm sure we'll get on just fine

( ..but please tell 'King WMIG' that he's still presently 'on-scope' ..actually, tell him to jus keep low, from me)

( .."safety first" after all )

Facts straight? Fenn used strafe and I used strafe, what "fact" did I get wrong? Shoot, who said anything about shoot? I believe those are your words? 

[decall]

Thanks wolf...
Do you think any bullets flew at the funeral?
This expression of guilt, was it just for the flyby?

[The Wolf]

May 26, 2017 7:57:48 GMT -5 decall said:

Thanks wolf...
Do you think any bullets flew at the funeral?
This expression of guilt, was it just for the flyby?

Decall, I have always felt he did not shoot any bullets at all during that incident because I think he determined it was not a target first. What I do think is that over the 328 combat missions, he would have strafed the enemy in which bullets flew and he would have definitely dropped some bombs. That strafing run IMO brought home reality of what those previous missions would have meant. Visualizing the horror up face to face is the difference and the unique insight that he had over the politicians calling the shots who would have only had the casualties just reported to them.  Back then the bombs were not as accurate so collateral damage would be a factor. He said he was beat up mentally and I believe it was the gravity of this situation that had sunk in. 

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May 26, 2017 8:18:06 GMT -5 The Wolf said:

May 26, 2017 7:57:48 GMT -5 decall said:

Thanks wolf...
Do you think any bullets flew at the funeral?
This expression of guilt, was it just for the flyby?

Decall, I have always felt he did not shoot any bullets at all during that incident. What I do think is that over the 328 combat missions, he would have strafed the enemy and he would have definitely dropped some bombs. That strafing run IMO brought home reality of what those previous missions would have meant. Visualizing the horror up face to face is the difference and the unique insight that he had over the politicians calling the shots who would have only had the casualties just reported to them.  He said he was beat up mentally and I believe it was the gravity of this situation that had sunk in. 

Speaking of watching people die...

My friend who recently died at 68 y/o from his vietnam injuries, he was injured twice, second time a bullet to the head, one steel plate later and he lived from 1972 ultil a few years ago.   Unlike Forrest he seen death up front every day, close up, why?  Because he was a gunner hanging out of a helicopter blowing people away up close and personal, including women and children when needed.  Talk about the impact of war, imagine what he felt like a few hundred feet away not a few thousand feet.  And when he was "shot down", he went down at the battle front right there except for the time they pulled him back into the helicopter before he fell out after the shot.

Why did they kill women and children?  Because just like the radical muslims, Charlie would give grenades to the children and women and have them run up to the soldiers to blow them up!  So you had to kill them too, or be killed.  Imagine being in your twenties and doing that! I can't.  That man faced the depression every day, he had one lung (Agent Orange and a bullet took the other).  When he got out, he worked a blue collar job until he couldn't physically do it and retired early.

The new generations of Americans piss all over these men and women with their disrespect of the flag while they talk about "free speech" that they only have because of those who died.  If I personally seen someone burn a flag, I would beat the living crap out of them.  Its a damn shame how badly veterans are treated, expecially by the clueless 20-30 year olds (not all of them, just the morons we see rioting).  The way I see it, if you don't like your country, get the hell out, nobody cares! Go live in Iraq, see how well that works out. 

[rahrah]

IMO the sentence structure, especially of stanza two, is critically important....in my solve the first sentence in stanza two is one place with three reference points, and you have to know what "it" is to understand where you are...the second sentence is 'Put in below the home of Brown" a single thing/place/object/clue.

The first stanza is one long, complete sentence, with one complete thought that is a clue.....that helps you understand "it" in stanza two, sentence one.

[goldwatch]

Krap! That's it.
"An asterisk in a book that was never written"?
This explains something troublesome of late, if so.

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I never thought you knew only a little, I think you know a lot! I think from now on instead of talking about the poem and research, I will simply say TTOTC might be all we need since it encompasses everything except the map. Nothing would shock me at this time, "its what they don't say that you have to worry about". Please don't think I put you in a list of people not to worry about!

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Do you still feel the same way about nine clues per line after what happened at the Lure preview?