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Post by klipper on May 5, 2017 10:27:35 GMT -5
Seannm,
My guess that if you even solved the poem the chances that you return home empty handed are very high. So, don't put last money in this TC hunt, if you live far enough from the scene.
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Post by klipper on May 5, 2017 10:38:25 GMT -5
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Post by kpro on May 5, 2017 10:41:16 GMT -5
He does say it. He updates the community from time to time. He has said he will know but will not reveal how he will know. But as you are saying it is found, until Ff says it, don't buy it. "to my knowledge" is not equal "He has said he will know ". You said it has been found. How do you know that? |
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Post by klipper on May 5, 2017 10:46:42 GMT -5
The Wolf,
hope you and other full and senior members are right, and it would give me occasion to make another trip. But hope to hear a word from FF before.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 10:48:49 GMT -5
Seannm, My guess that if even solve the riddle the chances that you return home empty handed are very high. So, don't put last money in this TC hunt, if you live far enough from the scene. I think that is common sense. I lived near casinos for 1/2 my life, the temptation was strong and my confidence was high often. But I never spent more than I intended if I went there, and certainly never went broke. It is clear that the chest is not going to be easy to find just looking at the potential area as compared to the volume of the chest. To make matters worse, it is also very apparent that the poem is impossible to solve from home. This means the lucky finder will likely have to make 1 trip minimum and might even have to do research on site over multiple days. The biggest risk most people who have never been in the mountains face is that these areas are huge and hard to navigate terrain. Slippery rocks, steep slopes, dense brush (sometimes), cactus (sometimes), sagebrush alone will scratch the crap out of you. Oh, every so many feet an animal hole, downed log, sometimes covered in leaves to trip over or worse, break an ankle. Even a small 100 x 100 foot area can take hours to search. And all of this is ignoring the presense of snakes, bears, wolves, etc. GoogleEarth does not come close to giving you perspective of your area (unless you have been in the mountains, then you can probably look at a topo map and imagine the terrain). The way I think Forrest tracks this is through a proxy item such as a bronze jar at the last clue. In order to legally take the chest you will have to execute the "title to the gold" which in turn notifies his agent in charge of the land trust. If you don't claim access, you don't have legal access to the chest. Thats been my opinion for a long time, and it won't change, can't claim its true though. I do not believe he used electronic devices or surveylance, they just are too unreliable in that harsh environment. But I just can't see an intellingent man simply tossing a chest somewhere and hoping for the best, meanwhile advertising and promoting the chase if he had no way to know if it was found a day after he hid it in 2009/2010. I just can't believe he would be that stupid. This is not a game, if he has been leading people on a hunt for a chest that was found 5 years ago, someone (like the feds) would be all over his estate and sue him for every search/rescue, and corpse recovery. I mean really, look at the world we live in, people sue over hot coffee. Its the same reason why I doubt its on a national park or indian reservation, the simple act of placing or abandoning an item and then hosting a treasure hunt to find it would get FF in jail, it is illegal to use that land for such a reason. It *has* to be on public access land such as BLM, unless you are given access to private land before hand it can't be there. imagine if Forrest did not track the progress, used a national park, he would have no control. Suppose the finder calls the news "I found it in Yellowstone!!!!" Shows pictures and video of himself finding it, and he does the LEGAL REQUIRED thing in a national park and turns it in to the Ranger. Within minutes the law will be at Fenns door, no if, ands, or buts. He has no way to assure the finder will keep it quiet, in fact he has reason to think the exact opposite. That is why I think it is still out there. |
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Post by heidini on May 5, 2017 10:51:19 GMT -5
I guess if you don't 'believe' then perhaps you may want to reconsider chatting about something you don't 'believe' in. Why say anything at all? This a positive site that believes in Fenn and that the treasure is yet to be found.
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Post by The Wolf on May 5, 2017 10:51:58 GMT -5
The Wolf, hope you and other full and senior members are right, and it would give me occasion to make another trip. But hope to hear a word from FF before. If you are looking for FF to confirm it is still out there, I wouldn't worry, because he has vowed to immediately release this information if he is satisfied the treasure has been removed (note that is a lot different than knowing it is solved, it just wouldn't be fair to the finder to prematurely release such information until after the chest is removed). |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 10:52:19 GMT -5
The Wolf, hope you and other full and senior members are right, and it would give me occasion to make another trip. But hope to hear a word from FF before. It doesn't work like that! Forrest will not say anything unless it was found, he does NOT respond to solves sent to him, pictures of dug holes, or anything like that. I assure you that if someone sent him 100% proof, in other words the bracelet, he would then announce it has been found (without naming the person if they are anonymous). Until then, he will remain silent and keep releasing more scrapbooks and weekly words just like he does every spring when the newbies think he is sending them secret messages  |
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Post by klipper on May 5, 2017 10:54:59 GMT -5
"to my knowledge" is not equal "He has said he will know ". You said it has been found. How do you know that? I don't know. I have 2 arguments, and they lead me to a conclusion, that chances that the treasure has already found are well above 50%. |
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Post by heidini on May 5, 2017 11:06:05 GMT -5
Well, with doubts like that, I think you should not go out and waste all your hard earned money on this expensive folly. The one that finds it will walk with confidence or so I've heard.
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Post by klipper on May 5, 2017 11:15:28 GMT -5
It doesn't work like that! Forrest will not say anything unless it was found, he does NOT respond to solves sent to him, pictures of dug holes, or anything like that. I assure you that if someone sent him 100% proof, in other words the bracelet, he would then announce it has been found (without naming the person if they are anonymous). Until then, he will remain silent and keep releasing more scrapbooks and weekly words just like he does every spring when the newbies think he is sending them secret messages And what about picture of blaze, marvel, or tarry scant? |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 11:26:06 GMT -5
It doesn't work like that! Forrest will not say anything unless it was found, he does NOT respond to solves sent to him, pictures of dug holes, or anything like that. I assure you that if someone sent him 100% proof, in other words the bracelet, he would then announce it has been found (without naming the person if they are anonymous). Until then, he will remain silent and keep releasing more scrapbooks and weekly words just like he does every spring when the newbies think he is sending them secret messages And what about picture of blaze, marvel, or tarry scant? Nope. I've sent him one blaze, no response. People have sent him pictures of holes where they say the chest was, people have sent him pictures of the Taos Pueblo with the chest sitting there in the water (they claim it is the chest), went there and said it was gone, no response from Fenn. |
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Post by heidini on May 5, 2017 11:28:19 GMT -5
You actually think Fenn would disclose pictures?  |
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Post by heidini on May 5, 2017 11:29:23 GMT -5
And what about picture of blaze, marvel, or tarry scant? Nope. I've sent him one blaze, no response. People have sent him pictures of holes where they say the chest was, people have sent him pictures of the Taos Pueblo with the chest sitting there in the water (they claim it is the chest), went there and said it was gone, no response from Fenn. Because it wasn't the right spot. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 11:47:48 GMT -5
I don't know how someone could have solved the poem and not found the tc, unless there's some stumbling block stopping them from getting their hands on it or it's so well hidden (buried?) that even if you're at the right spot the tc escapes notice. If he hid it under rocks or placed it in a crevice "standing up" (like Skippy), the searcher could look right at it and not "see" it. Either of those situations would explain how the poem could lead the searcher right to the tc but stymie its discovery.
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