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Post by rahrah on Jun 1, 2017 11:35:39 GMT -5
Is it possible to arrive at the 9th clue if you mess up the order of any of the previous clues? Sounds like you can. I believe so, but as Mr. Fenn says, you can't find the treasure unless you have the first clue and yet so many have that. That says it all. He also says the clues are contiguous, and need to be followed in order to find the chest. He has say the minimum clue to find the chest is the last one. Yet people are arriving at the 9th one, then why are they not finding it? Because they needed to be followed in order. Forrest, What’s the minimum number of clues that we need to solve to find the treasure, assuming that we follow the clues in order? `Serge Teteblanche
Just one Serge, the last one.f
So has it ever occurred to anyone that you can get to 200 feet or near the 9th clue on a hunch, yet you can only find the treasure by following the clues? On a hunch? No.....but, if my solve is correct, you can get there and realize that you've got something wrong, you're where the poem takes you, but there is either something more, or something different before getting there. |
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Post by The Wolf on Jun 1, 2017 11:46:29 GMT -5
I believe so, but as Mr. Fenn says, you can't find the treasure unless you have the first clue and yet so many have that. That says it all. He also says the clues are contiguous, and need to be followed in order to find the chest. He has say the minimum clue to find the chest is the last one. Yet people are arriving at the 9th one, then why are they not finding it? Because they needed to be followed in order. Forrest, What’s the minimum number of clues that we need to solve to find the treasure, assuming that we follow the clues in order? `Serge Teteblanche
Just one Serge, the last one.f
So has it ever occurred to anyone that you can get to 200 feet or near the 9th clue on a hunch, yet you can only find the treasure by following the clues? On a hunch? No.....but, if my solve is correct, you can get there and realize that you've got something wrong, you're where the poem takes you, but there is either something more, or something different before getting there. So here is a question, does it seem reasonable if folks have your solution/area to keep showing up at 500 feet? Is there an explanation as to how they can get there to within 500 feet with the fact that only two clues had been solved (conditions when FF first mentioned this)? Is there an explanation of how lots of people can get to 500 feet and not too many within 200 feet? |
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Post by rahrah on Jun 1, 2017 12:01:15 GMT -5
On a hunch? No.....but, if my solve is correct, you can get there and realize that you've got something wrong, you're where the poem takes you, but there is either something more, or something different before getting there. So here is a question, does it seem reasonable if folks have your solution/area to keep showing up at 500 feet? Is there an explanation as to how they can get there to within 500 feet with only two clues solved? Is there an explanation of how lots of people can get to 500 feet and not too many within 200 feet? Yes, there is a totally reasonable explanation as to how more get within 500' than within 200', and I didn't realize it until we got back - where the poem took us is very remote, but not at the same time, because you're gaining elevation and traveling in an arc, returning to almost where you started, but you're now at a higher elevation....most people in the area are going to be doing things at the lower elevation of the area, few would have reason or desire to figure out how to get to where the poem takes you from there. |
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Post by The Wolf on Jun 1, 2017 12:15:07 GMT -5
So today, if I get only two clues correct can I get there? How about zero clues correct? That appears to be what FF was saying about the 500 footers at the time. They just showed up within 500 feet with zero clues correct. Is that logical with your solution?
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Post by rahrah on Jun 1, 2017 12:29:00 GMT -5
So today, if I get only two clues correct can I get there? How about zero clues correct? That appears to be what FF was saying about the 500 footers at the time. They just showed up within 500 feet with zero clues correct. Is that logical with your solution? Yes, because without understanding how to use the clues, you can get to the area on the basics by guessing something in the area correctly OR incorrectly come up with a solution that is in the area that depends on other things that have nothing to do with the poem or its clues. For example, let's pretend that the correct solve requires you to include golf things (it doesn't in my solve) and you think it's in Los Alamos, NM.....so you head to the golf course there; you've 'guessed' wrong, but you're in the right area because where you're supposed to be is on Fairway Drive in Los Alamos, NM, so you're close by being at the golf course, but you're wrong because you're not where you're supposed to be and you'll drive right past Fairway Drive on your way to the golf course in your solve instead. |
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Post by klipper on Jun 1, 2017 12:54:19 GMT -5
Guess, which case likes more FF:
1. A happy finder publicly announces, that the TC has been found. And the noise about FF and the chest will come down instantly.
2. The chest is not found, or the finder prefers to remain quiet. "The musiс" will play forever and the TC will become the next Spanish galleon.
If FF likes more option 2, he can say, that someone has provided 9 clues in wrong order or "to our knowledge NO". In this case he and a mysterious finder become allies and the poem will stay publicly unsolved until (if) the finder decides to sell smth. special from the chest.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jun 1, 2017 13:20:10 GMT -5
So today, if I get only two clues correct can I get there? How about zero clues correct? That appears to be what FF was saying about the 500 footers at the time. They just showed up within 500 feet with zero clues correct. Is that logical with your solution? Hi Wolf -- IMO, there are a million 500-footers because the treasure chest is located within 500 feet of a major road. But to get within 200 feet requires getting off that road at the right location -- something that relatively few people do. |
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Post by The Wolf on Jun 1, 2017 15:02:26 GMT -5
So today, if I get only two clues correct can I get there? How about zero clues correct? That appears to be what FF was saying about the 500 footers at the time. They just showed up within 500 feet with zero clues correct. Is that logical with your solution? Hi Wolf -- IMO, there are a million 500-footers because the treasure chest is located within 500 feet of a major road. But to get within 200 feet requires getting off that road at the right location -- something that relatively few people do. That answer is acceptable and has been on my consideration list for a while, since Mr. Fenn has only said people have told them where they had been. It is reasonable in a treasure hunt to use these kind of hints or feedback, since Mr. Fenn has admitted early on the 500 footers were not aware of the significance and they did not have any clues correct. So it could be as simple as someone telling Mr. Fenn where they had been and if the treasure was 500 feet from a road he knew they would have travelled, they would get the tick in the box and we would all stand around in awe and scratching our heads wondering how that happened. I |
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Post by hoosierdaddy on Jun 1, 2017 15:13:46 GMT -5
Based on Fenn recent change in language, lack of an annual update, and comments confirming short emails contained key word this past year. It is quite possible the poem has been solved but not likely the chest has been removed. Sure it is possible to remove it under the cloak of darkness or thwart any surveillance device if you believe they are employed, but one has to consider Mr. Fenn is pretty crafty with how he knows and he hinted at that at the Moby Dickens interview. If you were Mr. Fenn and you really wanted to know if the chest was retrieved how would you ensure it? He hinted about an IOU in the chest, perhaps there is something in there that guarantees the finder will come forward. Just use your imagination to figure out what that could be. When asked "Has anyone determined the nine clues and what they represent?" "I don't know that anybody has.told me the clues in the right order." f www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9czRin3Tasagypsyskiss.wordpress.comBegs the question, why did he find the need to add the qualifier "in the right order" if the nine clues have not been solved? In other words can it read, "Each of the nine clues have been solved by one person, but they did not give them to me in the correct order" One of the clues was out of order to begin with. The person who solved all nine clues, sent them in the originally order that Fenn had put them in, believing it was not necessary to change the order, since Fenn had put the clue in that order to begin with. Since Fenn made the statement this particular clue has been sent to him in the correct order. |
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Post by GEYDELKON on Jun 1, 2017 15:26:54 GMT -5
Gina , All the nine clues mean something. That is why I asked the question the way I did. I didn't want to ask a question that would give away the clues. I don't know when I will act but I know I have all the time in the world. I might just take it too my grave.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 15:54:13 GMT -5
When asked "Has anyone determined the nine clues and what they represent?" "I don't know that anybody has.told me the clues in the right order." f www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9czRin3Tasagypsyskiss.wordpress.comBegs the question, why did he find the need to add the qualifier "in the right order" if the nine clues have not been solved? In other words can it read, "Each of the nine clues have been solved by one person, but they did not give them to me in the correct order" One of the clues was out of order to begin with. The person who solved all nine clues, sent them in the originally order that Fenn had put them in, believing it was not necessary to change the order, since Fenn had put the clue in that order to begin with. Since Fenn made the statement this particular clue has been sent to him in the correct order. And you know this, how? |
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Post by hoosierdaddy on Jun 1, 2017 18:44:43 GMT -5
One of the clues was out of order to begin with. The person who solved all nine clues, sent them in the originally order that Fenn had put them in, believing it was not necessary to change the order, since Fenn had put the clue in that order to begin with. Since Fenn made the statement this particular clue has been sent to him in the correct order. And you know this, how? I don't claim to have the treasure, after all I won't know that I have solved the first clue until I have the treasure. But I do believe I have solved all nine clues. |
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Post by nkown on Jun 1, 2017 19:53:10 GMT -5
There is simply "no way" that there wouldn't be a mechanism in place to *require* the person(s) who find TC to report it to FF. In fact, that's why there is a 'title to the gold'.... that gets around the legal requirements of how / where it is found, be it private property, public land etc. FF personally talked about the legal issues in a video interview and said he didn't just rush into it. While I do not yet know where it is, I am quite certain that the finder of the chest will also get title to the land it is found on... .provided you return to FF the bracelet as payment. It's a simple mechanism to ensure closure... and that you receive the land and the title to the gold.
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Post by nkown on Jun 1, 2017 19:54:46 GMT -5
There is simply "no way" that there wouldn't be a mechanism in place to *require* the person(s) who find TC to report it to FF. In fact, that's why there is a 'title to the gold'.... that gets around the legal requirements of how / where it is found, be it private property, public land etc. FF personally talked about the legal issues in a video interview and said he didn't just rush into it. While I do not yet know where it is, I am quite certain that the finder of the chest will also get title to the land it is found on... .provided you return to FF the bracelet as payment. It's a simple mechanism to ensure closure... and that you receive the land and the title to the gold.
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Post by rahrah on Jun 1, 2017 20:44:16 GMT -5
There is simply "no way" that there wouldn't be a mechanism in place to *require* the person(s) who find TC to report it to FF. In fact, that's why there is a 'title to the gold'.... that gets around the legal requirements of how / where it is found, be it private property, public land etc. FF personally talked about the legal issues in a video interview and said he didn't just rush into it. While I do not yet know where it is, I am quite certain that the finder of the chest will also get title to the land it is found on... .provided you return to FF the bracelet as payment. It's a simple mechanism to ensure closure... and that you receive the land and the title to the gold. I actually think I figured this part out today, so I agree, there is a way Fenn will know. If I have figured it out, Fenn is quite clever! |
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