Stanza 1

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Can't you go pick a fight with the few that are still remaining at Chase Chat?

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We must find the precision.

[fundamentaldesign]

Mar 30, 2017 16:33:25 GMT -5 seannm said:

Mar 30, 2017 16:10:50 GMT -5 fundamentaldesign said:

Seannm,

I like how you come across like you've explained yourself well. I'd guess others don't understand your responses either since they deflect woefully. Don't let slip the fact that you obviously can't add any value to our stanza 1 thread here because you don't think there's any information in it that gets one closer to the tc.

I was right on the history point that you also had trouble getting a grasp on. That's on this blog. What can I say...you keep getting beat by simple logic.

Fundy,

I have fully laid out my interpretation of stanza 1 in this thread that I initiated, and if you wish to add value to this conversation then please do, but your constant passive aggressive behavior and arguing with me is getting us no where. So maybe you ought to provide us with your interpretation, if not then please go elsewhere. 

And yes I thought the history mention was funny and a joke, not to be taken seriously.

Haha this is so funny, not funny because you are making me laugh, but funny in the since that the book is over six years old so it is in fact historical, see what I mean. So I guess I must concede to that effect. : )

Seannm

Putting labels on serious discussion of the chase like passive aggressive, arguing and fighting is ridiculous. I've already added value by bringing up the points I did. I think that's fair. I even got a amen, brother comment after I posted.

I'm gonna explain things I see in the Chase. I see that you redacted the OP so add that to the nonsensical things I spotted. I think it's a good thing to post things that don't make sense to each. I don't know why some feel threatened by that. It ups everyone's game. If you can't answer the simple questions I asked about the first stanza with first stanza information then I don't know what we are doing here.

No, I'm not gonna tell you my interpretation of the stanza one. You have to play ball and not games to get that. I can tell you it closely follows Jack's awesome interpretations of stanza one.

[fundamentaldesign]

Seannm, how does a clue in the poem not get one closer to the tc?

I also have no idea why you brought up searchers trying to take short cuts and how that relates to stanza 1.

[fundamentaldesign]

How much you want a bet it's original? Back up your talk. I'm the one talking most about stanza 1 and I'm full of crap? You're full of yourself.

At least I learned something today...there's a clue in the poem that doesn't get us closer to the tc. Yikes! If that's being original, I want no part of being original.

Did you learn the lame troll calling trick from Harry?

Simple logic took down you again. The attempt to discredit posters by name calling didn't do you any favors.

[fundamentaldesign]

As I've gone alone in there...

Using simple logic, some searchers have figured there may be another person besides f that went alone on a journey because it starts off saying 'As I've'. Match up stanza one to the correct other person and see where they've been. That gives you a specific geographical spot on a map from stanza one...easy peasy.

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I don't think anyone has thought precisely in the way Forrest suggests. Or they would have the treasure, right?

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"Any road followed precisely to its end leads precisely nowhere. Climb the mountain just a little bit to test that it's a mountain. From the top of the mountain, you cannot see the mountain."

Oops, wrong quote.

[fundamentaldesign]

Excerpt from f's Passages 4 on Dal's...

History will not say that Alex LaFountain was a great sculptor, unless you throw grit and character into the mix as requirements to that end, then he would nicely fit the description...

Seannm, see how easy it is to get past the requirement of history to tell the same story in the end? A comprehensive knowledge of geography anyone...

A couple of things account for this. One, the "simple" definition of the word requirement. If something, like history, is not required doesn't mean it's not helpful. If you told me it's not required to carry my few items for the potluck at Fennboree in a cardboard box doesn't mean I can't use a cardboard box or a grocery bag to help carry my items there from my vehicle.

Two, f throws grit and character into the mix which turns the tide to offset history. Well, grit and character can only be assertained from knowing the past of that person...in another word- history! You can't know the grit or character of a complete stranger until after you meet them and have a history with them.


Now that's funny, tried to tell ya before! What did f tell us that says we can't use history to help figure out the poem and stanza 1? My copy of the poem has the word old in stanza 1.

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IMO, the only history we should require is: The Thrill of the Chase book (which contains the poem).

If it cannot be solved with just that book (and a map at some point), then Forrest has lied about pretty much everything.

Why do I think this? Because it is exactly how he told us to solve the poem! He said (paraphrasing) "Read the poem, then read the book at a normal pace. Go back and read the poem slowly looking for clues, then go back and read the book over and over this time looking for hints that will help with the clues. Hints help with the clues, the clues bring you closer to the chest."

At no point did he ever say fire up Google/Bing and spend 10,000 hours researching American History, Archaeology, Physics, Anagrams, Ciphers, Poetry, Grammar, Spanish/French translations, Photo Forensics, Math, Theology, Aeronautics, Weather Patters, Fishing Guides, etc.

I have been guilty of doing all the above at some point or another, I enjoyed it, but I discovered that none of it will help finding the chest because I went back to basics. I still mess around on occasion with things like: mysteriouswritings.proboards.com/thread/248/messing-poem-fun-cracking , but my primary solve does not use anything except the book + poem + GE.

I have come to the conclusion that places like WWWH _MUST_ be something that the avaerage Joe can learn by just reading pamphlets/guides while at a National Park, BLM Forest, Landmark, etc. I do not think its in YNP, but Old Faithful is something pretty much everyone knows. The breathing stream over in SW Wyoming, probably not.

In any case, according to the ONLY man alive who knows where the chest is, all we need are: TTOTC, the poem, and a map/ge. Knowledge of Geography will help but is NOT required. I think its wise to listen to Forrest over any anonymous person on the internet.

[heidini]

I have to say that I disagree with not looking things up and using other sources.

On page 9 in the thrill of the chase under the chapter important literature:

"I still think about education sometimes, especially now that it's too late to get any. But with all of my days now, in the fullness of time, it seems prudent to do a little investigating about higher things."

This is the first few sentences in the first paragraph in the first chapter of the thrill of the chase.

[fundamentaldesign]

Apr 2, 2017 10:25:54 GMT -5 @wymustigo said:

IMO, the only history we should require is: The Thrill of the Chase book (which contains the poem).

If it cannot be solved with just that book (and a map at some point), then Forrest has lied about pretty much everything.

Why do I think this? Because it is exactly how he told us to solve the poem! He said (paraphrasing) "Read the poem, then read the book at a normal pace. Go back and read the poem slowly looking for clues, then go back and read the book over and over this time looking for hints that will help with the clues. Hints help with the clues, the clues bring you closer to the chest."

At no point did he ever say fire up Google/Bing and spend 10,000 hours researching American History, Archaeology, Physics, Anagrams, Ciphers, Poetry, Grammar, Spanish/French translations, Photo Forensics, Math, Theology, Aeronautics, Weather Patters, Fishing Guides, etc.

I have been guilty of doing all the above at some point or another, I enjoyed it, but I discovered that none of it will help finding the chest because I went back to basics. I still mess around on occasion with things like: mysteriouswritings.proboards.com/thread/248/messing-poem-fun-cracking , but my primary solve does not use anything except the book + poem + GE.

I have come to the conclusion that places like WWWH _MUST_ be something that the avaerage Joe can learn by just reading pamphlets/guides while at a National Park, BLM Forest, Landmark, etc. I do not think its in YNP, but Old Faithful is something pretty much everyone knows. The breathing stream over in SW Wyoming, probably not.

In any case, according to the ONLY man alive who knows where the chest is, all we need are: TTOTC, the poem, and a map/ge. Knowledge of Geography will help but is NOT required. I think its wise to listen to Forrest over any anonymous person on the internet.

I continue to disagree with this position because it's easy to beat...what happens if one or both of the hints in TTOTC are historical in nature? F never said that's not possible. For example, F clearly states in TTOTC that if Robert Redford ever wrote a book....Many of searchers have figured out that Robert Redford did write a book. Not too hard to find that. That could be an example of a hint that has history encased in it since it was written around 1976. F even got called out about it in a question from a searcher and his reply was that it was just an experiment and it obviously went over the head of the questionnaire...sounds exactly like what a hint could be.

[fundamentaldesign]

Anyways, I love f's new sb 172 on Dal's. I could have a field day with this sb, but it will be more entertaining watching everyone scurry about.

Ok, one nugget, the last paragraph is a doozie...Because it personally cannot relate its history, my bell tower invites little more than a curious glance. I wonder if the owners of my home a hundred years from now will appreciate the dichotomy that stands just off the east end of my portal.

History again that doesn't have a voice of its own...

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Apr 6, 2017 8:00:56 GMT -5 fundamentaldesign said:

Anyways, I love f's new sb 172 on Dal's. I could have a field day with this sb, but it will be more entertaining watching everyone scurry about.

Ok, one nugget, the last paragraph is a doozie...Because it personally cannot relate its history, my bell tower invites little more than a curious glance. I wonder if the owners of my home a hundred years from now will appreciate the dichotomy that stands just off the east end of my portal.

History again...

And, that's Twice that he has referenced 'bell tower' in the past few days.

Passages Four... 'The Church Bell' , "...it is not possible to determine where the bell tower was located..."

Curious, to say the least...

[heidini]

Apr 6, 2017 8:00:56 GMT -5 fundamentaldesign said:

Anyways, I love f's new sb 172 on Dal's. I could have a field day with this sb... I wonder if the owners of my home a hundred years from now will appreciate the dichotomy that stands just off the east end of my portal.

History again that doesn't have a voice of its own...

late 16th century: via modern Latin from Greek dikhotomia, from dikho- ‘in two, apart’ + -tomia


Wymustigo hmmm 2 apart again.