Stanza 1

[mthead]

Apr 6, 2017 7:53:17 GMT -5 fundamentaldesign said:

Apr 2, 2017 10:25:54 GMT -5 @wymustigo said:

IMO, the only history we should require is: The Thrill of the Chase book (which contains the poem).

If it cannot be solved with just that book (and a map at some point), then Forrest has lied about pretty much everything.

Why do I think this? Because it is exactly how he told us to solve the poem! He said (paraphrasing) "Read the poem, then read the book at a normal pace. Go back and read the poem slowly looking for clues, then go back and read the book over and over this time looking for hints that will help with the clues. Hints help with the clues, the clues bring you closer to the chest."

At no point did he ever say fire up Google/Bing and spend 10,000 hours researching American History, Archaeology, Physics, Anagrams, Ciphers, Poetry, Grammar, Spanish/French translations, Photo Forensics, Math, Theology, Aeronautics, Weather Patters, Fishing Guides, etc.

I have been guilty of doing all the above at some point or another, I enjoyed it, but I discovered that none of it will help finding the chest because I went back to basics. I still mess around on occasion with things like: mysteriouswritings.proboards.com/thread/248/messing-poem-fun-cracking , but my primary solve does not use anything except the book + poem + GE.

I have come to the conclusion that places like WWWH _MUST_ be something that the avaerage Joe can learn by just reading pamphlets/guides while at a National Park, BLM Forest, Landmark, etc. I do not think its in YNP, but Old Faithful is something pretty much everyone knows. The breathing stream over in SW Wyoming, probably not.

In any case, according to the ONLY man alive who knows where the chest is, all we need are: TTOTC, the poem, and a map/ge. Knowledge of Geography will help but is NOT required. I think its wise to listen to Forrest over any anonymous person on the internet.

I continue to disagree with this position because it's easy to beat...what happens if one or both of the hints in TTOTC are historical in nature? F never said that's not possible. For example, F clearly states in TTOTC that if Robert Redford ever wrote a book....Many of searchers have figured out that Robert Redford did write a book. Not too hard to find that. That could be an example of a hint that has history encased in it since it was written around 1976. F even got called out about it in a question from a searcher and his reply was that it was just an experiment and it obviously went over the head of the questionnaire...sounds exactly like what a hint could be.

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Clearly I said the TTOTC, which is exactly where that hint came from. No research is needed because just about everyone alive has seen the movie and probably read the Redford book. In any case, it came from the BOOK like I said.

People are free to disagree with Fenn, I think its a foolish mistake to disagree with him what he says that all we need are the BOOK+POEM+MAP/GE. Fortunately he keeps putting out these scrapbooks to make people scramble down the wrong paths, keeps me one step ahead.


PS: If someone had to research Redford to discover he wrote a book (and did a related movie), that is one person I will never worry about finding the chest.  Anyone, especially if you grew up in the 60s and 70s knows this.  My kids, who were born in the early 80's were aware of it.  I wasn't alive in the 40's and 50's, but even I am aware of many famous movies (and books) that came out then.  Heck, even Amos and Andy radio show, never heard it but knew of it due to my grandparents.  Perhaps the young people should spend more time with their grandparents and less time online, they might learn something.

[fundamentaldesign]

Apr 14, 2017 10:01:15 GMT -5 @wymustigo said:

Clearly I said the TTOTC, which is exactly where that hint came from. No research is needed because just about everyone alive has seen the movie and probably read the Redford book. In any case, it came from the BOOK like I said.

People are free to disagree with Fenn, I think its a foolish mistake to disagree with him what he says that all we need are the BOOK+POEM+MAP/GE. Fortunately he keeps putting out these scrapbooks to make people scramble down the wrong paths, keeps me one step ahead.


PS: If someone had to research Redford to discover he wrote a book (and did a related movie), that is one person I will never worry about finding the chest.  Anyone, especially if you grew up in the 60s and 70s knows this.  My kids, who were born in the early 80's were aware of it.  I wasn't alive in the 40's and 50's, but even I am aware of many famous movies (and books) that came out then.  Heck, even Amos and Andy radio show, never heard it but knew of it due to my grandparents.  Perhaps the young people should spend more time with their grandparents and less time online, they might learn something.

I didn't want to assume that everyone agrees with you that digging deeper into The Outlaw Trail book is not considered research. Obviously, you don't expect everyone to know which ground Robert Redford covered in his book. That is what I consider research cause that's not given in TTOTC.

One side note, I'm happy some others can't pick up on things that aren't explicitly written in the lines of the first stanza. Like they can only go with what is explicitly written there. I don't think that will be key to a successful beginning with f's latest sb about different techniques he uses in his writings.

[heidini]

I didn't know that Robert Redford wrote a book. I guess wymustigo shouldn't worry about me then!😉 (I was born in the mid-70s)

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Apr 16, 2017 8:22:08 GMT -5 fundamentaldesign said:

Apr 14, 2017 10:01:15 GMT -5 @wymustigo said:

Clearly I said the TTOTC, which is exactly where that hint came from. No research is needed because just about everyone alive has seen the movie and probably read the Redford book. In any case, it came from the BOOK like I said.

People are free to disagree with Fenn, I think its a foolish mistake to disagree with him what he says that all we need are the BOOK+POEM+MAP/GE. Fortunately he keeps putting out these scrapbooks to make people scramble down the wrong paths, keeps me one step ahead.


PS: If someone had to research Redford to discover he wrote a book (and did a related movie), that is one person I will never worry about finding the chest.  Anyone, especially if you grew up in the 60s and 70s knows this.  My kids, who were born in the early 80's were aware of it.  I wasn't alive in the 40's and 50's, but even I am aware of many famous movies (and books) that came out then.  Heck, even Amos and Andy radio show, never heard it but knew of it due to my grandparents.  Perhaps the young people should spend more time with their grandparents and less time online, they might learn something.

I didn't want to assume that everyone agrees with you that digging deeper into The Outlaw Trail book is not considered research. Obviously, you don't expect everyone to know which ground Robert Redford covered in his book. That is what I consider research cause that's not given in TTOTC.

One side note, I'm happy some others can't pick up on things that aren't explicitly written in the lines of the first stanza. Like they can only go with what is explicitly written there. I don't think that will be key to a successful beginning with f's latest sb about different techniques he uses in his writings. .

I knew the path he took based on the movie.  Watching western movies, actually watching OLD movies was a thing in our family back in the 60's on Sunday nights.  Pretty much everyone I knew did the same, Sunday was when the family (including grandparents, aunts, uncles) would watch movies and eat dinner.  We watched all types of movies, mostly all black and white.  Some weekends instead of a movie we would watch shows like The Bowery Boys, some Silent Films (Charlie Chaplin for example), Humphrey Bogart movies, Abbot and Costello, etc.  Also, I was not from Texas,  but in the 50s and 60s it was common for children to play cops & robbers, cowboys & indians, etc.

It is very sad that kids today (especially Millenials) will never experience what it was like when we had no computers and spent our days outdoors and/or with the family.  This was a weekly thing, not just special events, and as a kid you had no choice but to participate.  When all is said and done, I am glad I had those times because now everyone is gone and all I do is think about those days.  You get so tied up while raising a family and building a career that life flies by and all those things you cherish are soon gone.

[fundamentaldesign]

Apr 16, 2017 10:23:59 GMT -5 seannm said:

All,

 It seems it is much simpler for some to search for confirmations of their ideas outside of the poem rather than doing the work of decoding it, and who am I to interrupt them.  

Some say they are trying to think outside the box, as if the solution lies somewhere out there.f

Seannm

How do you know they aren't doing the work of decoding the poem?...like the f quote you bring up is tied to your first sentence. So, we can't look for hints in TTOTC now because Sean says so? Because the hints aren't work done in the poem? You keep painting yourself in a corner. Simple logic got you again.

Once you, or anyone else, can prove that f's quote about no level of U.S. History is required actually means no history is helpful in solving the clues or the Chase, then we can see if your recipe is worth taste testing. Let's see you, or anyone, try to put forth a reason why f's history quote means no history in the Chase is helpful...we already know a comprehensive knowledge of geography is. There's my proof and I got more...

[heidini]

Seanm- in your repeat of fenn's quote, are you trying to say that you're being quietly smug? If you were, you wouldn't feel the need to say you're being quietly smug. So in the world of the blog you're being loudly smug?

[heidini]

Sorry. I didn't mean to come across as a jerk for saying that. Glad you're having fun. That's the whole point of the whole thing in my opinion

[fundamentaldesign]

Apr 17, 2017 9:45:27 GMT -5 seannm said:

All,

  I quickly discovered that if I said something to them that I knew was wrong, they would correct me, on and on, and tell me things I wanted to know.f

  Sometimes, when I’m in a conversation now, and things are said that I know are incorrect, rather than confront, it has become my nature to just smile  and enjoy the small victory that comes with being quietly smug.f

 Sometimes it wise for the fox to dress like the hound.f



This chase is so fun, and some in it are too funny!

Seannm

You act like you're the only one in the Chase that has thought of this. Lol

[rahrah]

The first stanza isn't a clue per se because it doesn't get you closer to the treasure, but what it does contain is essential information for later in the poem and for understanding what IT is in the poem.

[zaphod73491]

Without the first stanza, no one is going to figure out WWWH.

[rahrah]

Jun 29, 2017 23:59:02 GMT -5 zaphod73491 said:

Without the first stanza, no one is going to figure out WWWH.

Exactly!

[fundamentaldesign]

Jun 29, 2017 22:09:19 GMT -5 seannm said:

Mar 30, 2017 12:03:24 GMT -5 fundamentaldesign said:

All,

Hmmmm

Seannm

Hmmm, I still don't understand your above write up of the first stanza. Do you think it contains a clue? You feel the first stanza doesn't get one closer to the treasure. Is that because you can't find an indication of a geographical location where we can begin? And why do you feel it needs to get us closer to the treasure? Do you feel the hints in TTOTC get us closer to the treasure? I don't, not after hearing f's definitions of hints versus clues. Hence, something that helps with the clues doesn't need to get us closer to the treasure cause then that something would be called a clue and not a hint.

[heidini]

I think people forget that Forrest said he "bends" words. What words in stanza one could be "bent."

[rahrah]

There is the first clue to solve, then there is the starting location - they're different and the poem makes that distinction in no uncertain terms. IMO