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Post by Jenny on Oct 25, 2018 7:45:25 GMT -5
It's been rumored through the youtube channels that Forrest shared with some searchers that Warm Waters is a Thermal Type clue. For instance, instead of it being like a name, 'red (warm color) river', it is decided by the touch and the waters feeling 'warm'-- like the Firehole River or other thermal type waters.
It is up to each searcher to decide whether this is accurate information and to be taken into account. It seems to have been said in just 'conversation', and not necessarily stated as absolute fact, but assumed as such.
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Post by Jenny on Oct 25, 2018 7:55:28 GMT -5
Personally, I have felt warm waters could be of a thermal type nature because of the following Featured Question and Answer posted on MW in 2014: mysteriouswritings.com/featured-questions-with-forrest-warm-waters-and-geography/The Q/A was: Someone unfamiliar with your poem receives a message that says “meet me where warm waters halt, somewhere in the mountains north of Santa Fe”. Would they be able to work out where to go? If they can’t, would they need the whole poem, another stanza, or just a line or word to help them on their way? ~Phil Bayman . There are a few words in the poem that are not useful in finding the treasure Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them. You over simplify the clues. There are many places in the Rocky Mountains where warm waters halt, and nearly all of them are north of Santa Fe. Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts. f There are 'MANY' thermal features north of Santa Fe......
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Post by Jenny on Oct 25, 2018 7:58:38 GMT -5
What other places --which are many and can be considered 'warm waters' in the Rocky Mountains-- are there?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2018 8:25:49 GMT -5
Personally, I have felt warm waters could be of a thermal type nature because of the following Featured Question and Answer posted on MW in 2014: mysteriouswritings.com/featured-questions-with-forrest-warm-waters-and-geography/The Q/A was: Someone unfamiliar with your poem receives a message that says “meet me where warm waters halt, somewhere in the mountains north of Santa Fe”. Would they be able to work out where to go? If they can’t, would they need the whole poem, another stanza, or just a line or word to help them on their way? ~Phil Bayman . There are a few words in the poem that are not useful in finding the treasure Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them. You over simplify the clues. There are many places in the Rocky Mountains where warm waters halt, and nearly all of them are north of Santa Fe. Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts. f There are 'MANY' thermal features north of Santa Fe...... The WARM WATERS I can agree. But where do they start.Where do they halt and that is in the mountain as sone as warm WATERS comes to surface out of the mountains this will be a halt in temperature. But what mountain is your wwwh.
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Post by ironwill on Oct 25, 2018 8:54:04 GMT -5
Personally, I have felt warm waters could be of a thermal type nature because of the following Featured Question and Answer posted on MW in 2014: mysteriouswritings.com/featured-questions-with-forrest-warm-waters-and-geography/The Q/A was: Someone unfamiliar with your poem receives a message that says “meet me where warm waters halt, somewhere in the mountains north of Santa Fe”. Would they be able to work out where to go? If they can’t, would they need the whole poem, another stanza, or just a line or word to help them on their way? ~Phil Bayman . There are a few words in the poem that are not useful in finding the treasure Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them. You over simplify the clues. There are many places in the Rocky Mountains where warm waters halt, and nearly all of them are north of Santa Fe. Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts. f There are 'MANY' thermal features north of Santa Fe...... THANK YOU JENNY! I had forgotten that question, and upon reading that again I now understand completely what Forrest meant by the "Big Picture." If this latest rumor is true about WWWH being a thermal item or feature, and my WWWH is the right one... I can attest without a doubt... Forrest is right. But if you do not have imagination... you will never find it. Now I see I should've gone out there this past Summer like I'd planned. Damn budgets The question now becomes... Can Forrest and the treasure's location wait for next summer to arrive? Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will.-----"your chance to win"
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Post by dahana on Oct 25, 2018 9:12:06 GMT -5
Jenny, I think we all should carefully consider how to surmise this "rumor". First, the person that Forrest supposedly said this to is not the person who put it out there, making this a second hand source of information. Second, the person that this information was supposedly given to could have easily posted Forrest's statement on her website. On the Flipside show last night David Krammer said the following:"BIWWWH is a thermal feature and if you cannot put your foot in it, your toe in the water and it is not warm, it is not WWWH". Here is the link, you can hear this about 44 minutes into the video, www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EPjEJVwLaw. It is difficult to know the context to which Forrest was supposedly replying to, this information could greatly help to understand his response. It appears that the supposed statement from Forrest did not use the words "thermal feature". Thermal feature seems to be a personal conclusion to "your toe in the water" statement. Jenny, I would love if you would asked Forrest to clarify this statement. Once we know the correct words Forrest said, then a proper discussion can be had. If we move with this "rumor", the waters are sure to become extremely muddied. Thanks Jenny!
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Post by Jenny on Oct 25, 2018 9:37:25 GMT -5
Jenny, I think we all should carefully consider how to surmise this "rumor". First, the person that Forrest supposedly said this to is not the person who put it out there, making this a second hand source of information. Second, the person that this information was supposedly given to could have easily posted Forrest's statement on her website. On the Flipside show last night David Krammer said the following:"BIWWWH is a thermal feature and if you cannot put your foot in it, your toe in the water and it is not warm, it is not WWWH". Here is the link, you can hear this about 44 minutes into the video, www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EPjEJVwLaw. It is difficult to know the context to which Forrest was supposedly replying to, this information could greatly help to understand his response. It appears that the supposed statement from Forrest did not use the words "thermal feature". Thermal feature seems to be a personal conclusion to "your toe in the water" statement. Jenny, I would love if you would asked Forrest to clarify this statement. Once we know the correct words Forrest said, then a proper discussion can be had. If we move with this "rumor", the waters are sure to become extremely muddied. Thanks Jenny! I agree this 'rumor' should be taken with extreme caution-- and I appreciate you providing more of the details on it. But that is why I followed it up with the Featured Q/A which seems to suggest it 'could be' a thermal feature, and then asking, if not a thermal feature, what else could there many of in the Rockies and mostly north of Santa Fe? The Q/A seems to suggest WWWH does not provide enough information in itself to lead to 'one specific place', like a specific river name or whatever, but a 'feature' found often in the Rockies.... Other clues/hints within in the poem then help define a more specific location for WWWH. I think discussion on the Q/A can go on..... and whether or not someone feels it is a 'thermal feature' REMAINS up to the searcher since the information is not 'Absolute'-- as you remind us all. And I thank you for that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2018 10:06:46 GMT -5
Jenny, I think we all should carefully consider how to surmise this "rumor". First, the person that Forrest supposedly said this to is not the person who put it out there, making this a second hand source of information. Second, the person that this information was supposedly given to could have easily posted Forrest's statement on her website. On the Flipside show last night David Krammer said the following:"BIWWWH is a thermal feature and if you cannot put your foot in it, your toe in the water and it is not warm, it is not WWWH". Here is the link, you can hear this about 44 minutes into the video, www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EPjEJVwLaw. It is difficult to know the context to which Forrest was supposedly replying to, this information could greatly help to understand his response. It appears that the supposed statement from Forrest did not use the words "thermal feature". Thermal feature seems to be a personal conclusion to "your toe in the water" statement. Jenny, I would love if you would asked Forrest to clarify this statement. Once we know the correct words Forrest said, then a proper discussion can be had. If we move with this "rumor", the waters are sure to become extremely muddied. Thanks Jenny! I agree this 'rumor' should be taken with extreme caution-- and I appreciate you providing more of the details on it. But that is why I followed it up with the Featured Q/A which seems to suggest it 'could be' a thermal feature, and then asking, if not a thermal feature, what else could there many of in the Rockies and mostly north of Santa Fe? The Q/A seems to suggest WWWH does not provide enough information in itself to lead to 'one specific place', like a specific river name or whatever, but a 'feature' found often in the Rockies.... Other clues/hints within in the poem then help define a more specific location for WWWH. I think discussion on the Q/A can go on..... and whether or not someone feels it is a 'thermal feature' REMAINS up to the searcher since the information is not 'Absolute'-- as you remind us all. And I thank you for that. Well you could even use 98.6 as a wwh but where.
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Post by Jenny on Oct 25, 2018 10:29:46 GMT -5
I think from Forrest's answer, it seems other items in the poem hint to 'where'....
In the Q/A Forrest is asked :
Someone unfamiliar with your poem receives a message that says “meet me where warm waters halt, somewhere in the mountains north of Santa Fe”. Would they be able to work out where to go? If they can’t, would they need the whole poem, another stanza, or just a line or word to help them on their way? ~Phil Bayman
Forrest answers:
. There are a few words in the poem that are not useful in finding the treasure Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them. You over simplify the clues. There are many places in the Rocky Mountains where warm waters halt, and nearly all of them are north of Santa Fe. Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts. f
It would seem Forrest is saying in his answer other words in the poem will help you work out where the specific WWH is......
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Post by robjohnson on Oct 25, 2018 10:43:16 GMT -5
Just maybe, on youtube, the comment is a fishing expedition. Maybe not.
Forrest has been way too honorable to offer a hint to a select few.
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Post by lookinup on Oct 25, 2018 10:50:13 GMT -5
I agree this 'rumor' should be taken with extreme caution-- and I appreciate you providing more of the details on it. But that is why I followed it up with the Featured Q/A which seems to suggest it 'could be' a thermal feature, and then asking, if not a thermal feature, what else could there many of in the Rockies and mostly north of Santa Fe? The Q/A seems to suggest WWWH does not provide enough information in itself to lead to 'one specific place', like a specific river name or whatever, but a 'feature' found often in the Rockies.... Other clues/hints within in the poem then help define a more specific location for WWWH. I think discussion on the Q/A can go on..... and whether or not someone feels it is a 'thermal feature' REMAINS up to the searcher since the information is not 'Absolute'-- as you remind us all. And I thank you for that. Well you could even use 98.6 as a wwh but where.
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Post by britchaser on Oct 25, 2018 10:53:55 GMT -5
Jenny, would you be able to try and get clarity from Forrest? This has many implications if true.
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Post by Jenny on Oct 25, 2018 11:28:47 GMT -5
Jenny, would you be able to try and get clarity from Forrest? This has many implications if true. What would you like to ask? I am happy to forward a question, but I never know when, if, or what Forrest might answer. It is always his choice. I'm just honored to share whatever he might answer. I created the thread more to discuss the Q/A and how that in itself suggests WWWH is a 'feature' and not a specific place. And how it seems other words in the poem are used to determine where WWH. Are there other 'features/situations' where WWH in multiple places of the Rockies? (other than thermal features) I suppose the spring runoffs from melting snow into an area is one such case. Are there others?
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Post by britchaser on Oct 25, 2018 12:13:06 GMT -5
Thanks Jenny. I’ve responded to your other thread to ask for questions for Forrest too, if you wanted to send a bunch together.
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Unfortunately, through unfortunate circumstances, the community is now faced with the possibility that WWWH only refers to a Thermal Feature which voids the investment of searchers with alternative solves that are not such. Mr Fenn, please could you clarify that this is not a clue and all options are still potential solutions or otherwise to provide a level playing field?
Many thanks
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Post by lookinup on Oct 25, 2018 12:47:52 GMT -5
I imagine FF's reverie holds an endless bounty of memories and treasures; his family being the dearest and greatest of them all. I also visualize a cherished place dedicated in his name which will one day preserve his personal collection of rare books, historical objects, artistic pieces, paintings and recordings of experiences and times. Imagine being near a warm and cozy fireplace at the same time! Being the architect he is; the blue prints of an entire lifetime will not be unfamiliar to those his life has touched a long the way of a most fascinating and versed journey. What a glowing and 'special place' very likely already exists. Somewhere over FF's rainbow will become a very real place for children of all ages.
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