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Post by voxpops on Apr 23, 2020 5:16:13 GMT -5
Where can you imagine FF would hide it? Imagination plays a big part in this, IMO.
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Post by voxpops on Apr 23, 2020 4:12:09 GMT -5
Yes, in Scrapbook 50, Forrest says: “The relevance of the double omegas will go to the grave with the man who wrote the poem.”TheTreasureHunter- I like the idea of it being the possible Blaze, and how if they are at the end of the Chase (book), they might mark the end of the Chase..... It's possible the finder will learn their meaning...and it is part of the story... I think they mark the two ends, which I posted about in the TFTW-riddle thread. IMO, FF knew that out of the thousands of WWWH it was unlikely that most people would find the correct one, and yet he expected someone to be able to find the treasure chest location. That is where the mystery lies. So you find the end, not knowing the beginning, and then you find the true beginning, which is also the second end. (When OUAW Ed.2 was published, it's possible only one end had been, or was about to be, discovered.) The obvious question then arises: if you know the chest's location, why do you need the beginning? IMO, it is to fulfill the purpose of the chase. I also believe that you will not be able to physically retrieve the chest before completing the task. Remember that FF said it was "impossible" for him to go back now. “The relevance of the double omegas will go to the grave with the man who wrote the poem.” The natural tendency is to read the above quote using convention-based assumptions. If, instead, you read it without assuming that it is Forrest who will take the relevance of the omegas to the grave, but substitute the finder, you get a subtle shift: "The relevance of the double omegas will go [with the finder] to the grave [that is filled] with the man who wrote the poem." That presupposes that the finder will visit the grave of the man who wrote the poem. And that opens a whole new can of worms that only deepens the mystery. A number of possibilities flow from this notion, one or two of which are mind-boggling. “If you are in the right spot, something you probably haven’t thought about, should be obvious to you.” Does this quotation relate to the same concept? I have no idea, but there's probably something unusual, besides the chest, that will confront the eventual finder.
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Post by voxpops on Apr 23, 2020 3:30:40 GMT -5
A Surprize is ... a dish ... which promising little from its first appearance, when open abounds with all sorts of variety. [W. King, "Cookery," 1708] Pandora, anyone? I think there may be something very surprising about the entire enterprise (enter prize?), particularly if and when the big picture is known and understood. I don't like the idea of tossing my bike in the water high, though; fly-tipping is a real problem where I come from!
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Post by voxpops on Apr 23, 2020 1:37:44 GMT -5
I believe NF, BTFTW is indeed a riddle of sorts. I also believe it is in two parts, separated by the comma. The first part tells you where you are and where not to stop. The second part confirms where you should be, both in relation to Omega 1 and Omega 2, and where you should be "scavenging." You will be very close to the blaze, IMO. Hey Vox, this is actually a very helpful pointer thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. I have been wrestling with different possibilities but had discounted the beginning of the clue. This now makes a lot more sense. Also, I hadn’t considered the omegas at all so this was doubly interesting. I can see how it explains a curious comment about omegas left here recently. You're welcome, miracleman. Just to add to what I said, even though I think the NF, BTFTW section is segmented, it doesn't work in isolation, IMO. The whole stanza describes a trajectory and you need all of it to get much meaning from it. As for the two omegas, they'd been nagging away at me for a long time, but I couldn't make much sense of them until recently. FF's comments about the backwards bike, the "if you don't know where it is, go back to the first clue" statement, the T.S. Eliot quote, the comment about reverse engineering, and the need to have confidence, all point toward something that makes this so challenging: wherever you start, you need to find the end, and then look for the other end in order to make it the beginning. I realize that sounds a little bizarre, but there's a good reason for it, IMO. The final trajectory requires the searcher to perform certain actions along the way, and these are not things that a novice searcher would understand, or perhaps even contemplate. The whole thing is a process that requires long-term commitment and a real willingness to "adjust."
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Post by voxpops on Apr 22, 2020 13:53:05 GMT -5
I believe NF, BTFTW is indeed a riddle of sorts. I also believe it is in two parts, separated by the comma. The first part tells you where you are and where not to stop. The second part confirms where you should be, both in relation to Omega 1 and Omega 2, and where you should be "scavenging." You will be very close to the blaze, IMO.
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Post by voxpops on Mar 30, 2020 14:24:10 GMT -5
Think about it this way. Fenn has spent around a quarter-century making this hunt happen. What is so very special about it that he has almost completely devoted his waning years to it? It surely isn't just about a box of gold. Most of the time our fixation seems to be on WWWH, hoB, the blaze, etc., but rarely on the big picture. Discussions after all these years have inevitably come full circle. What will help us break out of that circle? IMO, it's thinking in a wider context.
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Post by voxpops on Mar 30, 2020 14:17:42 GMT -5
I'm not sure any bit is being ignored because we don't like them.....could just be the reason that some, like yourself, may place more importance on certain items over others..... we each have different perspectives.... You may well be right, Jenny, but I rarely see these things discussed - certainly not in depth.
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Post by voxpops on Mar 30, 2020 12:53:35 GMT -5
Fenn says:
"I'm not a religious person, but I'm probably the most spiritual person around." Why? Has it zero relevance to the Chase? What does that claim mean? At first hearing it sounds boastful, but is it possible it has a very special significance? What are we supposed to take away from it?
"And things are never what they seem." Is this just a throwaway line? Is he just (mis)quoting poetry because he has a whim every now and then? Do we really think that Fenn is as happy-go-lucky as that when it comes to talking about the Chase, or is he trying to tell us something?
It's "impossible" for him to go back to retrieve the chest now. Why? He tells us that to solve the poem is very difficult but certainly not impossible, so for him to use the word "impossible" surely doesn't mean "very difficult," as he could obtain all the help and aids he needs.
There are so many instances like the above, but searchers seem to gloss over these oddities. To me they help with the big picture. They point toward the supremacy of imagination assisted by logic. What do they mean to you?
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Post by voxpops on Mar 30, 2020 11:44:06 GMT -5
We're talking about an incredibly difficult process, and in my opinion guessing has nothing to do with it. The time taken is proportionate to the work that needs to be done. Precision is absolutely vital. But you would agree that the clues are vague enough to be interpreted multiple ways, right?...which in itself is almost a back-handed admission there is no ‘secret key’ so to speak for interpreting them the correct way without luck playing a huge role....I actually hope you or someone else can convince me I’m wrong lol Certainly the poem appears vague, but IMO there is no luck involved in finding the answers. The vagueness is designed to create a kind of mental dissonance, if you will, which is essential to opening up the "listening" channels. Without the ability to "hear me all" I don't think it's possible to move with any degree of confidence. The work - which may be colossal - is learning how to hear, IMO.
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Post by voxpops on Mar 30, 2020 11:28:23 GMT -5
He has said words to he effect that if you follow them they will take you straight to it but clearly after 10 years time it seems more apparent that yes, the clues will take you straight to it but only if you have guessed correctly on all 9 clues. Obvious statement is obvious , right? Lol....Point is, it appears that the clues are not exact enough for that to happen by sheer deduction. You literally have to guess correctly, nine times in a row because each clue , as we’ve heard from bunches of ‘solves’ have been interpreted multiple ways. We're talking about an incredibly difficult process, and in my opinion guessing has nothing to do with it. The time taken is proportionate to the work that needs to be done. Precision is absolutely vital.
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Post by voxpops on Mar 30, 2020 11:23:03 GMT -5
map=poem "...look at the poem as if it were a map, because it is, and like any other map, it will show you where to go if you follow its directions. f" Yes, but if it has already shown us where to go - with confidence - why would we need to bring it with us?
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Post by voxpops on Mar 30, 2020 10:35:04 GMT -5
I find it interesting to read the causes for places to be special to Forrest......to maybe gain a hint for why the treasure chest location is 'a very special place' to me..... On Forrest's blog (and in TFTW)... is his account of 'River Bathing is Best'.... a special place: www.oldsantafetradingco.com/blog/river-bathing-is-bestSeveral years ago, with my daughter Kelly’s family, my wife and I drove to the little road (It’s paved now) and walked to the river. I tried to get my granddaughters to swim where I had spent so many peaceful hours. The idea didn’t interest them much. That spot, which was so important to me sixty-six years ago, is mostly overlooked now by the occasional passerby. My memories of those experiences are so dear to me that I hope in time all of my grandchildren will follow my footprints to that special place.Yes, and our job is to follow those footprints, too. They are almost - but not quite - indiscernible, so we need exceptional vision.
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Post by voxpops on Mar 30, 2020 10:22:23 GMT -5
What is it that will give me confidence regarding the location? Astree is right, IMO, we will go directly to the treasure with confidence, but first we need the thing that will supply that confidence. Perhaps the map? Exactly. We have been told to bring it with us. That is very important.
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Post by voxpops on Mar 30, 2020 8:38:44 GMT -5
If my paycheck has just gone into my bank and I set off for the Rockies with my credit card safely in my wallet, I know that I can confidently buy gas and a hotel room for the night. If I have a can of bear spray, I can be confident that I have a chance of deterring an ursine attack. Without these items I cannot have that confidence.
What is it that will give me confidence regarding the location? Astree is right, IMO, we will go directly to the treasure with confidence, but first we need the thing that will supply that confidence.
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Post by voxpops on Mar 30, 2020 8:24:39 GMT -5
Headless chickens?
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